"'We must get mad at screen person. OH VTUBER! VTUBER, WHY DO-WHY DO YOU PUSH BUTTON WHEN PUSHIN-BUTTON SHOULD NOT BE PUSHED?! WHY VTUBER WHY CAN'T YOU READ MY BRAIN, VTUBER?! OH, HOW DARE YOU VTUBER. EVERYBODY-EVERYBODY YELL AT THE VTUBER! POINT! POINT AND YELL 'VTUBER' VTUBER, WHY?! WHY ARE YOU DIGITAL?! VTUBER, NO! VTUBER READ MY CHAT! READ MY MESSAGE! VTUBER PLEASE. VTUBER ONLY PLEASE. VTUBER, PLEASE FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTIONS VTUBERRRR' laughs 'Why why is the Vtuber like this? Why is the Vtuber-' laughs 'is this the new copypasta?' It might be. Yeah send that to every Vtuber you know-actually don't laughs"Pomu Rainpuff

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Did he let you suck his virtual peener?
I had no such lecherous intentions! At least two people brought their dakis to the con/M&G though. And someone apparently pointed a gun at Bettel :Vesper-UNHINGED:
 

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...But the real question is, how much further will the Project Moon brainrot spread?
 

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*Looks at Disney, Alphabet, Meta, Amazon, Microsoft, Sony*
You sure?
Those companies do things that you have to be big to do. Other than marketing, you can get everything you need to vtube within one person's credit card limit; with the current market new corpos spend a huge amount on advertising, but that's partly because there are still hundreds of them.

So the only way I can see a handful of big corps dominating vtubing is if viewers decide that's what they want to watch. Which is admittedly all too plausible.
 

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Those companies do things that you have to be big to do. Other than marketing, you can get everything you need to vtube within one person's credit card limit; with the current market new corpos spend a huge amount on advertising, but that's partly because there are still hundreds of them.

So the only way I can see a handful of big corps dominating vtubing is if viewers decide that's what they want to watch. Which is admittedly all too plausible.
You don't have to "See" anything, Holo and Niji have dominated the market since 2019 and still hold an overwhelming duopoly in every category. Viewership, sponsors, number of talents, CCV, subs, revenue, scale of operations, events, basically everything. Brave is just buying their way into the third spot by acquiring VSPO and now Neoporte, everything else they own amounts to pennies.

What Brave is doing discourages competition, it actively kills new opponents.
 

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You don't have to "See" anything, Holo and Niji have dominated the market since 2019 and still hold an overwhelming duopoly in every category. Viewership, sponsors, number of talents, CCV, subs, revenue, scale of operations, events, basically everything. Brave is just buying their way into the third spot by acquiring VSPO and now Neoporte, everything else they own amounts to pennies.

What Brave is doing discourages competition, it actively kills new opponents.
Dunno.
  • Brave isn't buying up innovative breakout startups, it's buying up retirement homes and failed projects desperate for a way to recoup their losses. The competition it kills was never competition, it were just Brave like startups with less money and zero innovation
  • meanwhile, vtubing's focus on corpos is an aberration as is, caused by the initially high tech barrier preventing indy approach that fleshstreaming had
  • but with the cost of entry dropping, the corporate model makes less and less sense. Holo and Niji have their inertia keeping them up, Holo also heavily invests in events where the cost of entry remains high enough that indies can't easily compete. Even so, both have been bleeding established members in the past year, who then proceeded to indy it up.
  • corpos lacking Holo's and Niji's inertia and events keep folding left and right, the window of opportunity has closed
  • all that differentiates Brave from these failed corpos is that Brave can hold out longer
On this basis, I'd argue that whether a startup is a part of Brave Group or independent doesn't make much, if any difference. It's all the same regardless.

There arguably are still ways to succeed as a corporate endeavour. Isegye Idol went with a strict limit on size and putting out high quality events very quickly (and benefitted from a rather undersupplied market which it promptly cornered in '21 & '22, which is why this is still arguable).

But the way Brave is doing it?

Honestly, it reminds me a bit of Upd8, which also hired a zillion vtubers on a worldwwide basis (not many corpos to buy out back then), only to fall flat on its face.
 

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