The Virtual Asylum Gets First Hitpiece, VICE Attempts Chuubagate

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Spoiler: POLITISPERG

I mean, the Nazis considering Bolshevism their ideological opponent and archenemy probably had something to do with this, too.

Nazis aren't Fascists.

Regardless, competing factions of the same ideology. Like Protestants vs Catholics, and Sunni Muslims vs Shia Muslims.

Other way around. Capitalism exists because freedom. It's a product of liberalism.

What is called "Capitalism" is just the free exchange between people. I hate using the term, since it itself was invented by Marxists, and implies a grander structure when it's just free exchange.

The populist mass movements of the 19th century are then in turn a consequence of capitalism.

You cannot get started on capitalism without liberalism (because a lack of liberty results in legal uncertainly and an inability to accumulate capital; nicely illustrated in Edo era Japan, which had exactly this problem, but also in medieval Europe and its sumptuary laws; for that matter, Rome after the Crisis of the 3rd century shows very similar symptoms). In turn, you cannot have socialism without capitalism, because it's capitalism that generates the urban lower class socialism needs to exist as a concept.

I disagree. The free exchange concept certainly existed before the Enlightenment, and the primary focus of Socialism is the people in control of the means of production.

While the Industrial Revolution amped it up, such a concept existed before then, and was discussed as far back as Ancient Greece. If you're referring specifically to Marxist-Socialism, then yes, that came about due to the Industrial Revolution, but even before then you had classes that existed, and the desire for a world of no private property was already being contemplated.

Interestingly, although capitalism cannot, as far as we can tell from the historical precedent, start out without liberalism, it is possible for illiberal states to nevertheless adopt capitalism (e.g. China). So much for capitalism is freedom.

China is still heavily Communist, the Party merely eased up on the reigns in certain sectors of the market in order to benefit (which they've done a masterful job of).

And this does in turn demonstrate that capitalism isn't a successor of liberalism, but merely a consequence. A symptom, if you want.

Don't disagree. Liberty and free exchange go well together.

Which also explains why late adopters of capitalism are doing just fine with suppressing political mass movements, whereas liberal states tend to coopt them instead. Capitalism needs liberalism to be born, but not to exist.

Again, they're not - they're just utilizing the markets (usually overseas markets) to their advantage. If they were really free exchange, they couldn't suppress. Instead, they restrict and permit where advantageous.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

I've never liked Nux, but seeing this, he's kind of growing on me.

Spoiler: Political Autism

I mean, the Nazis considering Bolshevism their ideological opponent and archenemy probably had something to do with this, too.

Other way around. Capitalism exists because freedom. It's a product of liberalism. The populist mass movements of the 19th century are then in turn a consequence of capitalism.

You cannot get started on capitalism without liberalism (because a lack of liberty results in legal uncertainly and an inability to accumulate capital; nicely illustrated in Edo era Japan, which had exactly this problem, but also in medieval Europe and its sumptuary laws; for that matter, Rome after the Crisis of the 3rd century shows very similar symptoms). In turn, you cannot have socialism without capitalism, because it's capitalism that generates the urban lower class socialism needs to exist as a concept.

Interestingly, although capitalism cannot, as far as we can tell from the historical precedent, start out without liberalism, it is possible for illiberal states to nevertheless adopt capitalism (e.g. China). So much for capitalism is freedom.

And this does in turn demonstrate that capitalism isn't a successor of liberalism, but merely a consequence. A symptom, if you want.

Which also explains why late adopters of capitalism are doing just fine with suppressing political mass movements, whereas liberal states tend to coopt them instead. Capitalism needs liberalism to be born, but not to exist.

And for the love of god, don't lump everything illiberal together as "Basically just communism". That gets you Louis XIV: Communist. Which is retarded.

Spoiler: POLITISPERG

Nazis aren't Fascists.

Regardless, competing factions of the same ideology. Like Protestants vs Catholics, and Sunni Muslims vs Shia Muslims.



What is called "Capitalism" is just the free exchange between people. I hate using the term, since it itself was invented by Marxists, and implies a grander structure when it's just free exchange.





I disagree. The free exchange concept certainly existed before the Enlightenment, and the primary focus of Socialism is the people in control of the means of production.

While the Industrial Revolution amped it up, such a concept existed before then, and was discussed as far back as Ancient Greece. If you're referring specifically to Marxist-Socialism, then yes, that came about due to the Industrial Revolution, but even before then you had classes that existed, and the desire for a world of no private property was already being contemplated.



China is still heavily Communist, the Party merely eased up on the reigns in certain sectors of the market in order to benefit (which they've done a masterful job of).



Don't disagree. Liberty and free exchange go well together.



Again, they're not - they're just utilizing the markets (usually overseas markets) to their advantage. If they were really free exchange, they couldn't suppress. Instead, they restrict and permit where advantageous.

Spoiler: Grand Narrative Politics

Having gone around this topic a number of times over the years, the deeper answer to the Capitalism/Socialism stuff has a pretty thorough answer. It's Durable Property Rights. That's always the key. The ambitiously power hungry always point to the key truths by what they attack. People have owned property since there has been people, but what changed is the societies defend the property rights of everyone involved. Along with having the means for very small groups being able to defend their property rights.

This is why the global economic miracle doesn't have as much to do with Capitalism as it does Metallurgy. Material Sciences is why we have nice things now. But you can't invest in Steel plants if you don't get any return on it. And once the first common steels hit the agriculture eras, more than just the really wealthy minds were able to do research/study. It's why advances in farming in Scotland is functionally the most important change in the last millennia of human history.

It's also why the actual economic affairs of a country ebbs with its defensible property rights in a modern trade-based system with electricity. China is the most fascinating example of this, because the Mandarin System has been emotionless acquisition of wealth for centuries. They had a period where they tried something else, millions died and they went back. They put a huge red glaze on it, but it's just back to a full Imperial system where the Emperor is sorted out by a Stalin-Leninist power struggle. The only thing still Communist is the system the elites fight for power in. None of the boom happens without the "Emperor" given 99-year land grants to everyone that asks. No even basic property rights, no development. This is fundamentally the curse of most of Africa.

I first came to this understanding when discussing what happened with American expansion West into North America. The Amerindians weren't completely cooked when the settlers showed up. They were cooked when the British colonies started implementing Common Law. A legal system mostly for Landed Gentry is heavily focused on the preservation of those titles and land. Funny things happen when Men can see large ROIs and have a place of their own. They build things. They build Empires. That's how we got to where we are today.

As for the Fascist/Communist bits, it's two branches of the Revolutionary Socialist Religion having a spat for a century. Marxists are never actually popular. They'll get some support, but they are never the "cool kids" and they can't win elections without cheating. The European Fascist parts were, in fact, very popular, mostly because they offered a future that seemed logical and didn't come with the "your cousin may starve, and that's a sacrifice we're willing to inflict on them". Which was already pretty well known by the early 1930s. People that believe in Communism are always losers and it attracts those types. The small group that see Communism as a vehicle to power need to be hunted down & eliminated with due haste. The Revolutionary Socialisms are vehicles for slaughter.

 

[Azehara]

The only way they could've chosen worse mouthpieces for the Kirsche cancel is maybe if somehow Marina and Silvy got involved.
Valens still had active tweets about his dealing with Pedophile OCD and Bint has an internet footprint of freaking out over Nijifaggotry and a respected enough member of the twitch community (FalseEyeD).

Not to mention how Valens was so vindictive that nobody could defend his VAllure hitpiece, if you cant even stand by almost half of what your co-spirator said, are you really even that cooperative/chummy with it?
If Kirsche got shoah-ed, VAllure and the dramafags could've been next, a much more wider section of the community would've set their eyes on their rheroric. So they lucked out in a way, they get to lick their wounds and still tattle that a meanie right winger got them silenced

I think Bint hates Triggerpoint more than Kirsche. He just doubled down on going full retard these last 3 months.

You were saying.

I love when Silvy tries to get on his high horse. I would reply and call him out on his shit behavior and he would shut up for a day or two. He finally decided to block me.

Functionally, I can't see much different between the two. Both are branches of Socialism, and the practical structure, results, and end goals are virtually identical.

I am, once again, impressed as I am distraught in how well a job the Marxists have done in convincing the general public how the two are supposedly opposites.

Its the horseshoe theory at its best.

The fact that none of us have a bluesky account or want to make a throwaway one just to confirm the guy on the farms list says a lot about that place.

I have one but its a new account and i would be sniffed out. Also saw this which was pretty funny.



Made a main and an alt. Replied to Ana with my main and about 12 people started freaking the fuck out in the comments. Got blocked by about 40 people instantly.

 

[Smelliest007]

I think Bint hates Triggerpoint more than Kirsche. He just doubled down on going full retard these last 3 months.


I love when Silvy tries to get on his high horse. I would reply and call him out on his shit behavior and he would shut up for a day or two. He finally decided to block me.


Its the horseshoe theory at its best.


I have one but its a new account and i would be sniffed out. Also saw this which was pretty funny.

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Made a main and an alt. Replied to Ana with my main and about 12 people started freaking the fuck out in the comments. Got blocked by about 40 people instantly.

Show the 12 freakouts.

 

[Realticule]

Nazis aren't Fascists.

It's always funny how fascism is described by Nazi racial ideology, which is also not what people describe it as, but the originator of fascism claimed the following

"Race? It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today" - Mussolini

What is called "Capitalism" is just the free exchange between people. I hate using the term, since it itself was invented by Marxists, and implies a grander structure when it's just free exchange.

Don't forget Marx also viewed Capitalism as the necessity to create everything and then once everything that should ever exists does exist communism would redistribute it. The problem is that Marx failed to realize growth is actually infinite, which is why communist always mock the idea despite it being a reality within any of our lifetimes.

China is still heavily Communist

I'd describe them as fascist. Not as a pejorative but because they heavily depend on decentralized business that is beholden to the central government as opposed to central dictatorship of industry.

 

[Planetary Bombardment]

Made a main and an alt. Replied to Ana with my main and about 12 people started freaking the fuck out in the comments. Got blocked by about 40 people instantly.

They called you a dick muncher? That sounds kind of homophobic. Might want to report that. They don't tolerate that kind of hate speech on bluesky.

 

[bothyourhouses]

Spoiler: Politisperging

What is called "Capitalism" is just the free exchange between people.

Free exchange of personal chattel doesn't get you much. Capitalism only happens where individuals can own much more than they can carry and the surrounding society will support them in that and even help defend it for them.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

SEAYamanba prime who has stated like 3 times (and walked it back within the next tweet) that he wont talk about the fat fox is indeed retweeting random stupid shit from a breadtuber seething about Asmon's response to Kirsche
I have it archiving but it seems bit useless to post, if you look it up you can find it.

 

[DTrp]

I have it archiving but it seems bit useless to post, if you look it up you can find it.

just post it, always archive

e: oh, you said you were archiving. my bad

 

[Todd's Strongest Howard]

Let's take a look at kiddy diddler blue-twiddler!



>i-if i tell people someone else is running my twe- uh, be- blu- bleets? fuck it, it someone else is running my account, they won't harass me, right!?

lmao



Man oh man, sure is a good thing the troons truly are faultless victims doing nothing wrong.



Pedophile apologist defenders!



Anyway here's the only post that looks like it's from Azehara towards Anal and it got one reply. If this is the alt and not the main then whatever the actual main is idfk, I just searched the gooner and this was the one that matched closest. He can feel free to provide pictures of these alleged freakouts that certainly happened.

The most interesting part of this incredibly gay site is that despite having just made an account and interacted with absolutely nothing at all, I've gotten two follows somehow in about 15-20 minutes from very obvious bots. Very impressive that the bots are able to interact with accounts they should have no way of knowing exist.

 

[Xuhle]

Seems like they weren't able get twitch staff to make it longer.

 

[verxis]

Don't forget Marx also viewed Capitalism as the necessity to create everything and then once everything that should ever exists does exist communism would redistribute it. The problem is that Marx failed to realize growth is actually infinite, which is why communist always mock the idea despite it being a reality within any of our lifetimes.

Growth isn't infinite. It is potentially infinite. That is a very important distinction that corpos don't like, because it kills the myth of "competition in the free market."

 

[Realticule]

Growth isn't infinite. It is potentially infinite. That is a very important distinction that corpos don't like, because it kills the myth of "competition in the free market."

Growth isn't infinite, but from the perspective of us in our lifetime, it is. That's not to say every company can grow infinitely or there won't be dead ends, but it is to say we know shit about nothing at this point and to assume we're at some pinnacle is absurd. As for competition in free markets, I think the error is that people think competition happens on a set base of rules when in reality real competition happens by monopoly. You don't compete with Costco by trying to sell shit cheaper, as implied by modern day thought, you compete by creating something like Erewhon which takes the opposite side of the trade and monopolizes it in the same way Costco does with the cheap end. You can make the same argument about Walmart and Target, or Tesla and the Nissan Shitbox. Competition isn't the lie we preach about racing to the bottom, it's about optionality, something you goy seem oblivious to.

 

[verxis]

Growth isn't infinite, but from the perspective of us in our lifetime, it is. That's not to say every company can grow infinitely or there won't be dead ends, but it is to say we know shit about nothing at this point and to assume we're at some pinnacle is absurd. As for competition in free markets, I think the error is that people think competition happens on a set base of rules when in reality real competition happens by monopoly. You don't compete with Costco by trying to sell shit cheaper, as implied by modern day thought, you compete by creating something like Erewhon which takes the opposite side of the trade and monopolizes it in the same way Costco does with the cheap end. You can make the same argument about Walmart and Target, or Tesla and the Nissan Shitbox. Competition isn't the lie we preach about racing to the bottom, it's about optionality, something you goy seem oblivious to.

I'm Japanese.

 

[Realticule]

I'm Japanese.

Gomenasai, Anata wa goyitode wanai.

 

[verxis]

Gomenasai, Anata wa goyitode wanai.

本当。僕はそう。

 

[Negronald Trump]

Let me just ask, how do you nips call someone a nigga, a chink and a beaner?

 

[verxis]

Let me just ask, how do you nips call someone a nigga, a chink and a beaner?

Well the best racial slur is nothing at all, because we don't even think about such people. Usually, we never have to see them, so they might as well not exist. Chinese are different, because Chinese is the best slur for Chinese people.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Let's take a look at kiddy diddler blue-twiddler!

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Hmm, is our boy Ana making a dogwhistle reference to the heckin' transphobic Babylon Bee there with that picture?

 

[verxis]

Hmm, is our boy Ana making a dogwhistle reference to the heckin' transphobic Babylon Bee there with that picture?

Ana? Oh, you mean Phil Wythe.