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frz

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After Holotalk my anger about Gura sort of dissipated and now I am feeling just slight tinge of sadness and dissappointment. She broke down under the pressure and instead of using golden ticket to fix her brainworms, she succumbed to them, killing her Holo carrier, if not all of her carrier at all. I highly doubt she'll be able to function like an entertainer when she won't have any obligations from managers.

Also, its obvious she accepted this state of things - no graduation tour collabs, unlike everyone else, almost no solo streams (lol). I feel she'd prefer to go away with a Twitter post and a prerecorded concert and a relay is just a favor for her genmates, not out of genuine desire to do something.

Its kind of a contrast between HoloID complaining about having no opportunities and having one of all Holos most popular talents, who was given all opportunities, throwing them away.
saying she killed all of her career is way too early. A lot of her stress came from being the best. If she manage to 1/10 her audience as senzawa maybe she won't brainworm that hard. But then again we do have Dooby who still struggle with streaming
That being said she probs made so much money can comfortably live off it at this point, provided Trump won't blow up the dollars and turns US into the next Venezuela in 3 years time
 

ValkyrieAce

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The merch rerun alone will probably set her up for the next year.
 

tarkanoltr

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Gura's is going to be Uno:
 

Not Important

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saying she killed all of her career is way too early. A lot of her stress came from being the best. If she manage to 1/10 her audience as senzawa maybe she won't brainworm that hard. But then again we do have Dooby who still struggle with streaming
That being said she probs made so much money can comfortably live off it at this point, provided Trump won't blow up the dollars and turns US into the next Venezuela in 3 years time
Gura is an entertainer who gets anxious about being center of attention, which is what entertainer does. If she fumbled that bad with network of friends and managers, I have serious doubts on how she is gonna function on her own.
 

Thomas Talus

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Gura is an entertainer who gets anxious about being center of attention, which is what entertainer does. If she fumbled that bad with network of friends and managers, I have serious doubts on how she is gonna function on her own.
On the other hand, without feeling like she's at risk of letting down her company/colleagues, maybe there won't be as much anxiety.
 

White Stone

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After Holotalk my anger about Gura sort of dissipated and now I am feeling just slight tinge of sadness and dissappointment. She broke down under the pressure and instead of using golden ticket to fix her brainworms, she succumbed to them, killing her Holo carrier, if not all of her carrier at all. I highly doubt she'll be able to function like an entertainer when she won't have any obligations from managers.

Also, its obvious she accepted this state of things - no graduation tour collabs, unlike everyone else, almost no solo streams (lol). I feel she'd prefer to go away with a Twitter post and a prerecorded concert and a relay is just a favor for her genmates, not out of genuine desire to do something.

Its kind of a contrast between HoloID complaining about having no opportunities and having one of all Holos most popular talents, who was given all opportunities, throwing them away.
Saying she "killed her career" seems way too over-dramatic. As far as I'm concerned, she already fully utilized her popularity back in 2024 with all the big collab events like Guraquarium, Sushiro and Dodgers. You may have a point if you focus on the music aspect, I wish she had released more songs too.

Also, I don't get the impression that she "broke down" under pressure too. People keep hyper-focusing on the part where she talked about being terrified, not being able to eat and put food down, but that was clearly something that happened at the very beginning. She said in the very same HoloTalk that she was proud of having faced the hardships due to her popularity. She also said that Hololive means "growth" to her, she felt that she has grown and is now a different person than when she first joined Hololive.
 

NeneLOVE

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Saying she "killed her career" seems way too over-dramatic. As far as I'm concerned, she already fully utilized her popularity back in 2024 with all the big collab events like Guraquarium, Sushiro and Dodgers. You may have a point if you focus on the music aspect, I wish she had released more songs too.

Also, I don't get the impression that she "broke down" under pressure too. People keep hyper-focusing on the part where she talked about being terrified, not being able to eat and put food down, but that was clearly something that happened at the very beginning. She said in the very same HoloTalk that she was proud of having faced the hardships due to her popularity. She also said that Hololive means "growth" to her, she felt that she has grown and is now a different person than when she first joined Hololive.
Hololive makes you grow as in it teaches you why you shouldn't join a fucking corpo :SelenHAHAhere::SelenHAHAhere::SelenHAHAhere:
 

agility_

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Saying she "killed her career" seems way too over-dramatic.
We're talking about the same character that is touted as "the light of vtubing", "the harbinger of EN vtubing", "exemplar and bastion of EN vtubers", and "the best of the best" by the way. Not my words, just from everyone around.
 

ValkyrieAce

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Her claim to fame will be bringing normie awareness into vtubing, as opposed to Ironlung just bringing normies into vtubing. But point for point, blow for blow, Calli has accomplished exponentially more than Gura ever did in Hololive.
 

Phantasm

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We're talking about the same character that is touted as "the light of vtubing", "the harbinger of EN vtubing", "exemplar and bastion of EN vtubers", and "the best of the best" by the way. Not my words, just from everyone around.

This page is making it really hard to defend the continued existence of the hugbox the next time we have a forum-wide argument.

I think I'm starting to figure out why you consider this thread a hugbox
 

NeneLOVE

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Funny how when these chuubas die everyone is 100% more critical of them lol. Same shit happened to kekson being glorified as "jesus of Hololive" then after she fucked off that was called revisionism and glazing.
 

Hotdogs Aplenty

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Funny how when these chuubas die everyone is 100% more critical of them lol. Same shit happened to kekson being glorified as "jesus of Hololive" then after she fucked off that was called revisionism and glazing.
Hindsight is 20/20 or some such shit.
 

Phantasm

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Funny how when these chuubas die everyone is 100% more critical of them lol. Same shit happened to kekson being glorified as "jesus of Hololive" then after she fucked off that was called revisionism and glazing.
That was after she gave everyone the idea that she was going to start her own Hololive but with blackjack and hookers but then when after a year nothing happened and she joined Vshojo many people started to realized that maybe she isn't this incredible genius everyone thought she was and that was before people started putting two and two together and realized that no she wasn't responsible for Hololive En being a thing
 
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Smelliest007

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Phantasm

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I'm not, where are his delusions coming from?
I'm starting to believe that he just hates HoloEn at this point or at the very least the current HoloEn I don't think I've seen a single positive post from him about Advent or Justice granted I have a shit memory and sometimes skim
 

mismatch

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I normally can't be bothered to get involved in discussions like this cause I hate timelooping as much as anybody on here, but seeing as we're a couple hours away from her being gone and no longer a relevant topic of discussion - whatever.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, of course, but I will never understand the idea that Gura is a "wasted" or "failed" Hololive career.

We got 2 years of great streams both alone and with the other girls, and even the 2 years when she "didn't stream" produced some bangers (minecraft on the old new server, choo choo charles, geoguesser with ame, the off collab mumei voice challenge, poppy playtime, hatsune miku boxing, dark souls race with fauna, FNAF:into the pit and "gallons", her fast food simulator collab with kronii which is still the funniest stream of 2025 so far imo, scary golf with kronii and the return of the GWAK, 3 collabs with SNOT, the Myth japan off collab arc, her appearance on Oozora Police, the end of mythbreakers, Girls talk, phasmo with Ame, lethal company with Myth, the Myth 1-block arc, the ENReco pointy-hat crew, and the great farewell streams for Ame, Fauna and Mumei).

We also got 4 3d live concerts (including the graduation one), and countless appearances on other girls' lives and Myth 3d lives.

We got dozens of some of the best karaoke streams in all of hololive (my Gura karaoke archive folder has 57 files in it).

We got 8 original songs (not even counting big group songs), of which 5 were solo originals. Ash Again and Shinkiro belong in the all-time top tier of Hololive originals IMO and none of hers are bad (sweet appetite is kinda mid i guess).

I certainly agree that others have done more for Hololive, and that she herself could have done a lot more and communicated better - I don't think that there's any reasonable person, Chumbud or otherwise, that wouldn't. Calling her time a "disappointment" I can understand, but I can't personally find it in me to be disappointed with what I got out of the last 4.5 years of shark.

I feel like Gura is judged by a different standard, both because of her enormous popularity, and because she works alongside some of the most cracked-out hard-working girls in all of vtubing. It's like we don't allow the Hololive girls to just be normal people who have problems that they're not good at dealing with. Do I wish that Gura was as insanely OP as somebody like Calli or Bae? Kinda - but then again if she was like that, she wouldn't be Gura anymore.

I think it's worth pointing out that it's the internet that is calling Gura the "world's number one vtuber" and the "savior of EN vtubing" or whatever. Gura herself never seemed to want more than to play video games, sing for people, and maybe get up on stage a bit like her idol Miku. And she did that - right up to the end.

Anyways, this Myth collab relay has been amazing and I will rest easy knowing that the Shark will forever be lurking deep inside the colon of her hideous, misshapen homunculus on the Hololive minecraft server, haunting anyone who is foolish enough to come near it...
 
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NeneLOVE

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I'm starting to believe that he just hates HoloEn at this point or at the very least the current HoloEn I don't think I've seen a single positive post from him about Advent or Justice granted I have a shit memory and sometimes skim
Nah agility is just like me, very opinionated and not that aloof.
 

Phantasm

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Nah agility is just like me, very opinionated and not that aloof.
Is he? I can recall several times you've been positive about Hololive even though you shitpost a lot
 

NeneLOVE

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I feel like Gura is judged by a different standard, both because of her enormous popularity
Could say the same about Holo as a company and yet nobody is arguing holding those which are at the top at a higher standard.

I don't think gura did "nothing" more like she had incredibly high POTENTIAL to do much bigger things, I could see her at 10M subs with 3 Sololives in the US if things had gone the best they could. Her graduation makes me wish for a future that never ended up happening, both through Cover's incompetence and the personal circumstances of the talents.
Is he? I can recall several times you've been positive about Hololive even though you shitpost a lot
I'm basically considered a holo shill/fanboy by 90% of the forum so...
 

Smelliest007

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Joined:  Feb 19, 2024
Nah agility is just like me, very opinionated and not that aloof.
If by very opinionated, you mean very /vt/-like, sure.
You? Nah, you're not that faggy.
 

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