Hololive General

[Belle Delphine's Armpit]

I am still in a 'seething at Cover' mood, so I will also point out: She wanted to record this at Covers studios, but they were all booked up and she had to go to Kanauru instead. I don't know whether she was able to make mocap data for him to use, or if it's gonna be skinwalked, but just remember that it's once again mostly Cover's fault.

not a good look for "dw guys, hololive is just fine and this is temporary" copers

 

[USS IOWA]

The end of a journey.




The next 45 hours is going to be rough man...

 

[RiverBear]

I'll miss this Blue People dynamic

 

[Aka Split]

In funny news, I saw this because 4chan is back (the substitute site I found while it was dead is so much better, I hope it dies again):
Aqua and Towa are blocked by Mikeneko (could it be TWO FPS players who were bullying her?)

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

In funny news, I saw this because 4chan is back (the substitute site I found while it was dead is so much better, I hope it dies again):
Aqua and Towa are blocked by Mikeneko (could it be TWO FPS players who were bullying her?)

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[Hff201]

In funny news, I saw this because 4chan is back (the substitute site I found while it was dead is so much better, I hope it dies again):
Aqua and Towa are blocked by Mikeneko (could it be TWO FPS players who were bullying her?)

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It's so funny how petty this bitch is. It's the usual woman problem where they can't get over shit, but turned up to eleven.

 

[White Stone]

I am still in a 'seething at Cover' mood, so I will also point out: She wanted to record this at Covers studios, but they were all booked up and she had to go to Kanauru instead. I don't know whether she was able to make mocap data for him to use, or if it's gonna be skinwalked, but just remember that it's once again mostly Cover's fault.

not a good look for "dw guys, hololive is just fine and this is temporary" copers

Regardless of how bad Cover is behind the scenes, this kinda proves that the "disagreement with management" statement and its variations weren't just mere "boilerplate statements" meant to deflect all criticisms towards Cover, the talents genuinely do have stuff that they disagree with the management.

 

[NeneLOVE]

Regardless of how bad Cover is behind the scenes, this kinda proves that the "disagreement with management" statement and its variations weren't just mere "boilerplate statements" meant to deflect all criticisms towards Cover, the talents genuinely do have stuff that they disagree with the management.

Both can coexist. What was being debated is that ALL talents have the exact SAME issues because the statement is the same. Some people were claiming this meant there was some kind of evil overarching plot which is silly.

What does "disagreements with management" even mean? It could be "my project got cancelled" or "takeshi was mean to me" or "I cannot be arsed to travel to japan 10 times a year" or all of them at once or different variations of them or death by a thousand little issues. That's what it means to be boilerplate, not that there were no genuine disagreements involved.

Also keep in mind that all of these statements were made on company time, this is not the talents speaking out after being unceremoniously fired like ex-Nijis or small corpo people, management could've easily NDA'd it up and told them to not give any reason so as to not further damage their PR. So yes, this is meant to deflect criticism towards the company, it exists for that express purpose.

 

[Hff201]

Both can coexist. What was being debated is that ALL talents have the exact SAME issues because the statement is the same. Some people were claiming this meant there was some kind of evil overarching plot which is silly.

The evil overarching plot is that they are a corporation, and Capitalism Bad.

Every bit of Cover discourse outside of this forum has been absolutely fucking insufferable because it all boils down to financially illiterate teenagers and talking heads who think "investors want to make money" is a hidden conspiracy only they are smart enough to have discovered.

 

[NeneLOVE]

The evil overarching plot is that they are a corporation, and Capitalism Bad.

Every bit of Cover discourse outside of this forum has been absolutely fucking insufferable because it all boils down to financially illiterate teenagers and talking heads who think "investors want to make money" is a hidden conspiracy only they are smart enough to have discovered.

People are emotional so it's understandable. My only regret is that /vt/ didn't remain dead until like mid-may.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

Both can coexist. What was being debated is that ALL talents have the exact SAME issues because the statement is the same. Some people were claiming this meant there was some kind of evil overarching plot which is silly.

What does "disagreements with management" even mean? It could be "my project got cancelled" or "takeshi was mean to me" or "I cannot be arsed to travel to japan 10 times a year" or all of them at once or different variations of them or death by a thousand little issues. That's what it means to be boilerplate, not that there were no genuine disagreements involved.

Also keep in mind that all of these statements were made on company time, this is not the talents speaking out after being unceremoniously fired like ex-Nijis or small corpo people, management could've easily NDA'd it up and told them to not give any reason so as to not further damage their PR. So yes, this is meant to deflect criticism towards the company, it exists for that express purpose.

I'm also pretty sure it's part of their Contract Language to activate exit clauses. Because of all of the music everyone is involved in, exits are really complicated affairs, legally. So, it's a combination of PR boilerplate, real issues that exist and official acknowledgement of termination of the streaming side of the contract. Because even the fired members are going to see some residuals from music and other IP related work.

When Rushia got the axe, the amount of billable hours to legal to tie up all of the loose ends must have been really high. Especially with just how many projects she was involved in.

 

[Aka Split]

Regardless of how bad Cover is behind the scenes, this kinda proves that the "disagreement with management" statement and its variations weren't just mere "boilerplate statements" meant to deflect all criticisms towards Cover, the talents genuinely do have stuff that they disagree with the management.

Maybe it's just because I paid attention to her the most, but I feel like Mumei has given us the most details about what problems she had and made it clear that health was just one of the problems. Paraphrasing what she said; the cough sucks, but she could deal with that and keep working if it had been the only problem.

So then, a list. The 3d live she had to scrap and come up with something else (also causing her to lose her 1 million wish). This graduation live where Cover didn't make accommodations for her to have studio time. Her last trip to Japan they screwed up on booking her a place to stay so she was freaking out until everyone realized she could just go stay at Bae's place (Cover did have a hotel booked for Bae though, despite her living in Japan). The Visa (though I don't think we know whether this was Cover's fault or Mumei's fault). Having no input in the choreography for It's Not A Phase (idol dancing to an edgy song, and Mumei probably knew that it was a farewell performance with Fauna, if not for herself also). All the PFP's she drew? Cover was supposed to put them all in a dropbox months ago because Mumei's not allowed to make her own file storage link, and they still haven't done it. And I feel like I'm still forgetting things that were mentioned in the past or even as recently as today.

Obviously many of these problems happened after deciding to graduate, but that is a LOT of screw-ups in a pretty short timeframe. Heck, I think everything I listed was all within the past 1 year, and that's only the ones she explicitly told us about and that I remember off the top of my head.

And also obviously; this does not contradict the fact that they all have different experiences and tolerance levels for different types of bullpoop. I just think it's FAR more likely that you're gonna get dicked around and screwed over if you don't live in Japan (and even more specifically, if you're not part of the JP branch).

Edit: and here's a fan project to get back into a somber mood

 

[BlueSharkTV]

The way I see it is Gura and Mumei were annoyed/frustrated with management for cancelling/pushing something they were individually working on and had enough with corporate retardation, Gura gave up after some sort of project was canned at some point and felt demotivated so she pulled a "why even try" and she stopped streaming for some time.

Mumei at least let us know at the very least one of the projects that got canned so we know she 100% resents management and the company to at least some extent, combined with her frustration with her health problems and studying she decided it wasn't really worth staying.

Fauna still puzzles me because as far as we know she never really wanted to have 3D anything (birthday lives or anniversary) so I can't really tell what they told her she couldn't do, like was it game perms? them not allowing her to have a bald toggle? or was it some autistic Japanese thing like "you can't do that, it goes against your perceived image" so they didn't let her act differently on stream (which she still acts the same so it couldn't have been that) or they also canned some project that may not have been as big as Mumei's 1mil wish but was maybe like her ttrpg streams? she's still the odd one out of the recent graduations since she really didn't seem in a bad place at the time.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

The way I see it is Gura and Mumei were annoyed/frustrated with management for cancelling/pushing something they were individually working on and had enough with corporate retardation, Gura gave up after some sort of project was canned at some point and felt demotivated so she pulled a "why even try" and she stopped streaming for some time.

Mumei at least let us know at the very least one of the projects that got canned so we know she 100% resents management and the company to at least some extent, combined with her frustration with her health problems and studying she decided it wasn't really worth staying.

Fauna still puzzles me because as far as we know she never really wanted to have 3D anything (birthday lives or anniversary) so I can't really tell what they told her she couldn't do, like was it game perms? them not allowing her to have a bald toggle? or was it some autistic Japanese thing like "you can't do that, it goes against your perceived image" so they didn't let her act differently on stream (which she still acts the same so it couldn't have been that) or they also canned some project that may not have been as big as Mumei's 1mil wish but was maybe like her ttrpg streams? she's still the odd one out of the recent graduations since she really didn't seem in a bad place at the time.

Fauna is also the one that specifically emphasized the "disagreements with management" part, but it's really hard to say what those were. But, odds are it is just the built up frustrations with everything, especially as the NA-based ones are basically on the moon compared to dealing with the JP members. It's pretty noticeable how basically everyone has started collecting in either Tokyo or around that Jakarta hub that Cover has established. I think there's a pretty big business culture clash between Japanese Corporate structures and dispersed teams all over the place.

Fauna is also the type that probably just clashed with corporate structures anyway. She's a college-educated American White Woman, they're a "type" for a reason, lol. Though I also wonder how much the language barrier has something to do with all of this, which will always add massive friction anyway.

 

[Belle Delphine's Armpit]

Fauna still puzzles me because as far as we know she never really wanted to have 3D anything (birthday lives or anniversary) so I can't really tell what they told her she couldn't do, like was it game perms? them not allowing her to have a bald toggle? or was it some autistic Japanese thing like "you can't do that, it goes against your perceived image" so they didn't let her act differently on stream (which she still acts the same so it couldn't have been that) or they also canned some project that may not have been as big as Mumei's 1mil wish but was maybe like her ttrpg streams? she's still the odd one out of the recent graduations since she really didn't seem in a bad place at the time.

I think also there's an element of "lol I don't need to take this, I can just go indie, do what I want to do, and my audience will follow me."

 

[God's Strongest Dragoon]

Since I think this season is about Promise/Council I do wonder if it will be 3 Dungeons or they will still do one for Fauna and Mumei as a late sendoff.
Or they will do all remaining talents together instead of gen based.

Sana Dungeon please.

Fauna still puzzles me because as far as we know she never really wanted to have 3D anything (birthday lives or anniversary) so I can't really tell what they told her she couldn't do, like was it game perms? them not allowing her to have a bald toggle? or was it some autistic Japanese thing like "you can't do that, it goes against your perceived image" so they didn't let her act differently on stream (which she still acts the same so it couldn't have been that) or they also canned some project that may not have been as big as Mumei's 1mil wish but was maybe like her ttrpg streams? she's still the odd one out of the recent graduations since she really didn't seem in a bad place at the time.

What are the odds she got a stern talking to from management for the "we're not friends" rant and she resented that? It's very apparent that there was SOMETHING that pissed her off about management considering she took the time to even emphasize that "no, I'm not leaving because I don't to do idol shit or anything like that".

 

[White Stone]

And also obviously; this does not contradict the fact that they all have different experiences and tolerance levels for different types of bullpoop. I just think it's FAR more likely that you're gonna get dicked around and screwed over if you don't live in Japan (and even more specifically, if you're not part of the JP branch).

Obviously we are not expecting anyone from Advent or Justice to graduate anytime soon since they are still relatively new and probably still have many things they want to do in Hololive. But that doesn't stop me from being curious about how in the distant future, whether the first to leave among them would be those who aren't based in Japan (aka Shiori, Nerissa, Cecilia, Gigi and Liz).

 

[Willemshaven]

Highlights from the Mario Party collab with Korone, Marine, Pekora, and Shion.


More highlights from the Uno collab with Ayame, Choco, Shion, and Subaru.


Mumei brings up that she noticed Bae tying to call to Mumei's pet dog Animal but got rejected.


Suisei talks about the boating trip with holomems for cherry blossom viewing (hanami).


And Kanade talking about trying to pur beer for Aki, but it was lukewarm.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

Sana Dungeon please.

What are the odds she got a stern talking to from management for the "we're not friends" rant and she resented that? It's very apparent that there was SOMETHING that pissed her off about management considering she took the time to even emphasize that "no, I'm not leaving because I don't to do idol shit or anything like that".

Yeah, Fauna is the one that was clearly driven by interactions with corporate. I also think money matters a lot, because you never know how much someone is going to feel comfortable with. Gura should be sitting on "never work again" money, and most of the rest would be if the saved a lot already. Because there is a corporate structure and you have to push projects through, regardless of how supportive everyone is. (Kiara mentioned there's someone assigned to HoloTori that still tries, but stuff gets shot down or never gets back to her about it. )

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I did have one rather technical thought that maybe has been a much bigger issue than we've thought about. Cover uses a lot of their own proprietary 3D tools as well as some Japanese support companies. They might be stuck off in a branch of their own products and it really limits the ability to do 3D stuff remotely. It's one of those subtle things the non-tech types wouldn't think to fix or realize just how much of a problem it really has become. But I'm not sure any of EN holomems are technically savvy enough to understand where the problem is and know how to find contracted solutions. (It's going to be a software interpreter layer for capture data formats, but it's doable if you have both sides of it.) It's stuff like that which could easily drive problems but no one really notices the real problem and it just causes friction which builds up. And Management can't easily solve the issue by waving a magic wand at it, because I'd imagine all but a couple at the top aren't that tech savvy either. The Holomems deal with Performer Management & Business People, when there's like big technical issues that get in the way of a lot of things.

Just an idea that came to mind. It might not be 3D studios, but it could be something with the Cover App or stuff like that.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

Obviously we are not expecting anyone from Advent or Justice to graduate anytime soon since they are still relatively new and probably still have many things they want to do in Hololive. But that doesn't stop me from being curious about how in the distant future, whether the first to leave among them would be those who aren't based in Japan (aka Shiori, Nerissa, Cecilia, Gigi and Liz).

All of the long-term EN members basically have a second place in Japan at this point. Its even drawn Bijou and Zeta there. Moona is there a lot. Though I think the Language Barrier might play as much as role in a lot of this, as being in Japan let's them communicate a lot more effectively.