Hololive General

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

So far in HoloEN, the cases for graduation have been specific enough to just not warrant it. Fauna being able to return once in a blue moon wouldn't fix what I assume was her getting sick of the byzantinian management bureaucracy, it wouldn't have cured Mumei's health issues, and the last thing Gura wants is now all eyes on her any time she appears as an affiliated guest for an event. Ame didn't want to fully cut ties with Hololive for whatever reason; there was enough to incentivize her to appear every so often.

Ame, it turns out no one ever found out, was deep in the professional Media Production in the USA. The setup she has makes a lot more business sense if you're moving on in life but want to keep a door open for special occasions. Gura and Fauna made the most absolutely sense to fully graduate. Mumei seemed more like a fork in the road situation for her and it's just better to end it rather than let it hang over. Same with Aqua and Shion, but you can see that Chloe went the affiliate status because she found a primary career she wanted to peruse (as well as bring up an Indie Vtuber so she can stream occasionally).

I doubt we'll ever get any information on Gura's discussions with management, but it's hard to probably describe how much they'd have likely done to keep her around. Everyone forgets Ayame exists for 10 months a year. Cover can make situations work.

 

[mismatch]

Ame, it turns out no one ever found out, was deep in the professional Media Production in the USA. The setup she has makes a lot more business sense if you're moving on in life but want to keep a door open for special occasions. Gura and Fauna made the most absolutely sense to fully graduate. Mumei seemed more like a fork in the road situation for her and it's just better to end it rather than let it hang over. Same with Aqua and Shion, but you can see that Chloe went the affiliate status because she found a primary career she wanted to peruse (as well as bring up an Indie Vtuber so she can stream occasionally).

I doubt we'll ever get any information on Gura's discussions with management, but it's hard to probably describe how much they'd have likely done to keep her around. Everyone forgets Ayame exists for 10 months a year. Cover can make situations work.

Mumei's issues are obviously very different than Gura's, but she spoke on multiple occasions about how isolating the job was for her, and how she considered quitting before. I suspect that beyond the health issues, she may just want to move on from Hololive and pursue whatever field she's finishing her studies for.

I suspect that if Cover hadn't made significant efforts to keep Gura, she would probably have graduated a year or more ago.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

Mumei's issues are obviously very different than Gura's, but she spoke on multiple occasions about how isolating the job was for her, and how she considered quitting before. I suspect that beyond the health issues, she may just want to move on from Hololive and pursue whatever field she's finishing her studies for.

I suspect that if Cover hadn't made significant efforts to keep Gura, she would probably have graduated a year or more ago.

She's been in school the entire time, I believe also changing countries for graduate school? She then does a complete second life as a streamer. It's not surprising she felt really isolated. She probably wasn't well suited for grad school a long distance from her family. Few actually are, but that's a separate topic.

 

[White Stone]

The more I look at Ame's participation in the concert the more I wonder about people who have chosen to cut all ties.

I can kind of understand just wanting to be out of that part of your life but it doesn't seem that complicated? Seems like Ame just chose to show up this once. It's not like they're dragging her back into every concert or to every big collab. It's not like she's here for Fes. It's more along the lines of a 3rd party guest.

I guess there's something to say for finality but I hope this appearance shows future quitters what the affiliate option actually means.

From our perspective, it was just one small appearance but who knows how much effort is needed from the "affiliated" talent.

Ame appeared as a fully tracked 3D model and even interacted with the other performers. Did she travel all the way to Japan just to record this? Did they rent an external studio in NA just for her? Or did she just use her own home studio? (That would mean that this is something only Ame can do, but I still doubt it since as dooby we can see that her recent tracking in her home studio was extremely scuffed.)

 

[sbm]

She says in the JP translation that 4 people who were planned for what was originally a Dec live weren't able to be there in the end, there are only 4 missing members of EN from Dec, eg. Fauna, Gura, Mumei, and Bae. So there's a world where this comes out in Dec and would have been EN's last live as a full group before a chain of graduations. Though I think I like it as it is.

From our perspective, it was just one small appearance but who knows how much effort is needed from the "affiliated" talent.

Ame appeared as a fully tracked 3D model and even interacted with the other performers. Did she travel all the way to Japan just to record this? Did they rent an external studio in NA just for her? Or did she just use her own home studio? (That would mean that this is something only Ame can do, but I still doubt it since as dooby we can see that her recent tracking in her home studio was extremely scuffed.)

Sounded like she traveled to Japan, given what Kiara and Bijou have said on stream about interacting with a mystery person.

 

[Negzana]

Trying to look at the bright side. Gura waited long enough for Advent and Justice to truly be in their element, for EN to be secure in them to finally graduate. She could have gone in May 2023 before Advent and that might have spoiled HoloEN too much for Advent to matter, but she left while the fresh blood of HoloEN is thriving.

 

[NeneLOVE]

Trying to look at the bright side. Gura waited long enough for Advent and Justice to truly be in their element, for EN to be secure in them to finally graduate. She could have gone in May 2023 before Advent and that might have spoiled HoloEN too much for Advent to matter, but she left while the fresh blood of HoloEN is thriving.

You're giving gura too much credit. I don't think she's that calculating or worried about the future of Holo.

 

[White Stone]

She says in the JP translation that 4 people who were planned for what was originally a Dec live weren't able to be there in the end, there are only 4 missing members of EN from Dec, eg. Fauna, Gura, Mumei, and Bae. So there's a world where this comes out in Dec and would have been EN's last live as a full group before a chain of graduations. Though I think I like it as it is.

I think Kiara has mentioned that Ame was not originally part of the initial plan. After losing the 4 guests due to delay she wanted to make up for it and thus attempted to ask for an Ame appearance which got approved.

 

[BioBreak]

Ame didn't want to fully cut ties with Hololive for whatever reason;

I have an under-developed but burgeoning rrat that Ame going the affiliate route didn't just stem from whatever "management disagreements" she may have had but it also can be attributed to the huge change in her living situation (moving back with her family). She's mentioned in her Dooby community that she hasn't been streaming too much due to the situation at home with more people being around and not being conducive to the hours and environment she prefers for streaming:



Couple that issue with the persistent internet/connectivity issues she's been having and it probably became untenable for her at some point to hit her homework quotas and other offline corpo obligations. The opaque part is where the "Affiliate" status idea came from - whether it was her who brought it up or whether it was someone from management who was somewhat aware of her situation and wanted to find a way to not totally close the door on the IP of her person - especially with how instrumental she's been with all the extra work she's done in the background being the unofficial-yet-de facto "IT Department" for Kiara and the other girls in the branch and also making a lot of their patchwork 3D work during the early days of the branch when the girls couldn't travel to Japan yet.

 

[agility_]

You're giving gura too much credit. I don't think she's that calculating or worried about the future of Holo.

No man, gura is the nexus of all of vtubing. Her grotesque subscriber count powers the dreams and wishes of countless hopeful vtuber newcomers, each time she moves, the veil of reality is torn asunder, each of her steps send quakes across the vtubersphere. She has to thread ever so careful, lest the wrong person hurriedly graduate.

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

Trying to look at the bright side. Gura waited long enough for Advent and Justice to truly be in their element, for EN to be secure in them to finally graduate. She could have gone in May 2023 before Advent and that might have spoiled HoloEN too much for Advent to matter, but she left while the fresh blood of HoloEN is thriving.

I know replying to you is like trying to explain how social interactions work to Captain Ahab The Forum Owner, but if she quit before Advent's debut, the actual debut of Advent would've probably been a better rebound, especially for FuwaMoco and Biboo. Two, I BELIEVE (not 100% on this) that Calli said that Holo doesn't try to keep people in who obviously want to leave, so (if true, and I remembered it right) she wasn't being locked in gay baby jail until her graduation shockwaves could be minimized. So she was either hoping something changed in her two years of tummy hort, or collecting her cut of the infinite money printer that is Gura merch.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

The Towl summons ID to play Overwatch.

Anya POV


Ollie POV


Zeta POV


The 5 stack has Moona and Mumei, but no streams for those 2.

 

[Smelliest007]

No man, gura is the nexus of all of vtubing. Her grotesque subscriber count powers the dreams and wishes of countless hopeful vtuber newcomers, each time she moves, the veil of reality is torn asunder, each of her steps send quakes across the vtubersphere. She has to thread ever so careful, lest the wrong person hurriedly graduate.

You have to stop trying to larp as @Brosnan Pierce Brosnan
It's a cry for help.

 

[NeneLOVE]

I know replying to you is like trying to explain how social interactions work to Captain Ahab The Forum Owner, but if she quit before Advent's debut, the actual debut of Advent would've probably been a better rebound, especially for FuwaMoco and Biboo. Two, I BELIEVE (not 100% on this) that Calli said that Holo doesn't try to keep people in who obviously want to leave, so (if true, and I remembered it right) she wasn't being locked in gay baby jail until her graduation shockwaves could be minimized. So she was either hoping something changed in her two years of tummy hort, or collecting her cut of the infinite money printer that is Gura merch.

I mean if Holo did meddle with debut dates or do "le queue" like some many smug Nijisisters like to claim then they wouldn't be graduating 3 people on the same fucking week and would've spread out the announcements more. They also wouldn't have had all of the announcements on the half of the year with no new debuts, or had them right before and after fes to ruin the hype.

They obviously discuss the date with the talent alone and don't tell anyone else but I seriously doubt they delay these for more than a month, what does take ages is probably the talent being indecisive over if they actually want to quit and the managers trying to get them to reconsider, but the delay between the "press here to graduate button" moment and actually pulling it off is probably less than a month imo.

 

[Ensok]

lol, all of the Pokemon Calli has caught so far are male.

 

[Sankisei]

You're giving gura too much credit.

Shut the fuck up

Gawr Gura isn’t just a VTuber. She’s a cosmic event .

When Gura debuted, the ocean paused. Every dolphin saluted. Every Atlantis ruin lit up in neon just to honor her arrival. Scientists still argue over whether her “a” broke the sound barrier or tore a hole in the virtual space-time continuum.

She didn’t just reach a million subs—YouTube bent the algorithm to make room for her. Legend says Susan Wojcicki herself offered Gura the entire platform in a shoebox wrapped in kelp ribbon. Gura declined… out of mercy.

Her voice? A siren’s whisper dipped in sunlight and memes. She could read the dictionary and make it go viral. She once hiccuped mid-stream and thousands of people transcended reality. The UN tried to issue a global “cute alert.”

When she sings, NASA tunes in. When she giggles, tectonic plates shift ever so slightly. When she mispronounces words, the English language updates itself accordingly.

And her gaming? She doesn’t “play” games—games are honored to be played by her. She once beat a horror game so hard that the ghost apologized. She WILL built Atlantis in Minecraft with three blocks and pure willpower.

Yagoo went to her house and begged on his knees for her to stay in Hololive, she declined, they offered her to be an affiliate ,Say Gex with Okayu and Lui, the CEO position , Both Holostars branchs terminated , Ikko Fukuda Shares , The Investors blood but she still refused to stay.

Gawr Gura is not just a VTuber. She’s the reason VTubing exists.

 

[Aka Split]

And people doubted Calli's cred as a basketball American.

Haters put in their place.
Edit: And anotha one

 

[Koronesuki]

Mumei's issues are obviously very different than Gura's, but she spoke on multiple occasions about how isolating the job was for her, and how she considered quitting before. I suspect that beyond the health issues, she may just want to move on from Hololive and pursue whatever field she's finishing her studies for.

Yeah, I hate to say it, but I think that Mumei probably would have eventually graduated even if she didn't have health issues. It doesn't make much sense to spend so much time, effort, and money on getting a degree if she was just going to continue vtubing instead of pursuing a career in whatever she's been studying.

I have an under-developed but burgeoning rrat that Ame going the affiliate route didn't just stem from whatever "management disagreements" she may have had but it also can be attributed to the huge change in her living situation (moving back with her family). She's mentioned in her Dooby community that she hasn't been streaming too much due to the situation at home with more people being around and not being conducive to the hours and environment she prefers for streaming:

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Couple that issue with the persistent internet/connectivity issues she's been having and it probably became untenable for her at some point to hit her homework quotas and other offline corpo obligations.

I'm not sure which part of this is a rrat. As far as I can tell, this is exactly what happened, at least as I understand it.

The opaque part is where the "Affiliate" status idea came from - whether it was her who brought it up or whether it was someone from management who was somewhat aware of her situation and wanted to find a way to not totally close the door on the IP of her person - especially with how instrumental she's been with all the extra work she's done in the background being the unofficial-yet-de facto "IT Department" for Kiara and the other girls in the branch and also making a lot of their patchwork 3D work during the early days of the branch when the girls couldn't travel to Japan yet.

I have no trouble imagining a scenario where Ame brought up the subject of possibly having to graduate due to her situation, management tried to talk her into staying, and then Ame just asked, "What if I left without actually graduating?" and they worked out the details of how exactly that would work from there. Ame always does things the Ameway.

 

[NeneLOVE]

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Kek, Idk why but I love mori's deadpan face next to it like she's daring you to question her ballchucker credentials.