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HoloEN4 - holoJustice: Speculation/Discussion/Debut Liveposting

nitsuj293

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Joined:  Jul 25, 2023
Is it me or has the whole industry fandom gone seriously downhill this year? There seems to be far more vitriol towards everything and anything not just in /vt/ but basically every platform now. Like /vt/'s schizophrenic hatred of everything has infected the entire industry (or at least the vocal parts of it).
The vultures got really fat off the bloated corpse that is NijiEN and want more fresh blood
 

nitsuj293

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Joined:  Jul 25, 2023
I honestly don't think there is much need to worry about this gen, HoloEN has seemingly gotten really good at prepping their talents before shipping them off to debut
At this point I am just hoping they have a nice group dynamic
 

El Rrata

Gringo Tolerable
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Is it me or has the whole industry fandom gone seriously downhill this year? There seems to be far more vitriol towards everything and anything not just in /vt/ but basically every platform now. Like /vt/'s schizophrenic hatred of everything has infected the entire industry (or at least the vocal parts of it).
It's all the constant fighting and it is solely the fault of /vt/ and Nyfco, as far as I am concerned. Infighting between EN gen fans, infighting between Stars and Holo fans, infighting between Nijisanji fans, fighting between corpos, fighting between corpo and indie fans, fighting between indies, fighting over politics, fighting over every small grudge people can't get over after it happened years ago... all thanks to a bunch of brigading from places like /vt/ and nyfco to Twitter, Reddit, and YT comments plus a bunch of gayops.

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Hff201

Pippa Fan, Failed Normalfriend
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Is it me or has the whole industry fandom gone seriously downhill this year? There seems to be far more vitriol towards everything and anything not just in /vt/ but basically every platform now. Like /vt/'s schizophrenic hatred of everything has infected the entire industry (or at least the vocal parts of it).
There's just been so much unpleasant shit lately from so many small corpos falling apart, the Niji/Selen drama, Idol's work-in-progress fall from grace, the volunteers pozzing up OffKai, the seeming increase in grooming/abuse scandals in the indie scene etc.. Regardless of which particular sphere you sit in within the wider vtuber community, you've almost definitely had some kind of loud reminder lately that vtubing isn't the wholesome escape from reality it was in 2020 any more, and it's just made everyone more cynical.
 

Euthyphro

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Joined:  Dec 22, 2023
There's just been so much unpleasant shit lately from so many small corpos falling apart, the Niji/Selen drama, Idol's work-in-progress fall from grace, the volunteers pozzing up OffKai, the seeming increase in grooming/abuse scandals in the indie scene etc.. Regardless of which particular sphere you sit in within the wider vtuber community, you've almost definitely had some kind of loud reminder lately that vtubing isn't the wholesome escape from reality it was in 2020 any more, and it's just made everyone more cynical.
True. It's why I'm actually getting nervous about how quiet Phase has been relatively speaking. These days I'm a bit uncomfortable with all the Fishman biting-the-hand humor because I'm worried it might just come back to bite the whole company in the ass if it turns out there were cracks building up under the surface.

That said, Holo already had its annus horribilis circa 2021-22, and the way they handled Mel's termination makes me think they can take anything at this point.

Generally, after shit bottoms out, you do get the most resilient, antifragile ones left, whether it's corpos, talents or fans.
 

Paladin

Resident Sad Girl Enjoyer
Joined:  Jan 5, 2023
True. It's why I'm actually getting nervous about how quiet Phase has been relatively speaking. These days I'm a bit uncomfortable with all the Fishman biting-the-hand humor because I'm worried it might just come back to bite the whole company in the ass if it turns out there were cracks building up under the surface.

That said, Holo already had its annus horribilis circa 2021-22, and the way they handled Mel's termination makes me think they can take anything at this point.

Generally, after shit bottoms out, you do get the most resilient, antifragile ones left, whether it's corpos, talents or fans.
No news is usually good news, and trust me, if there were problems, we would be seeing them. As in this industry, it's incredibly hard to hide shit, and there's no way that there wouldn't be a foreshock if there were some predictable problem behind the scenes. All of Phase's problems seem to come from external actors like merch firms or anti's working their way into con leadership.
 

Superduper Samurai

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the last couple months of 2023 and start of 2024 were just really packed with unfortunate events, from Selen to Mel, to Pomu to a new Niji Gen, Akio Air, etc, more recently you had drama bombs in the indie sphere like Kenji, that Shizzy fag (who only shut up because of an ex lmao), the gayops/negligence with nighttime audios/ryoma, endless google docs including the mating press chad, da sektur's autism non-war against vtubers....
oh right, and Kyo graduated, i forgot about this and had to edit it in


Yeah its just that the last 6 months since last october or so its been jam packed of shit in the sphere, if anything its just calming down, NijiEN debuted a gen with little to no fanfare already
 

Scoots

The Pontiff of PonWolf
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I can't quote this for some reason but I just wanna say if you think Kirsche brought politics to vtubing I got a bridge to sell ya
 

Egg the Boiled

Yeah.
Joined:  Nov 2, 2022
NijiEN became an actual dumpsterfire, then the doxxsite sisters lost their secret hangout and had to start shitting up /vt/ and Twitter, like insects whose rock got turned over. Also Kirsche had to bring MAGA-tier political shitposting to western vtubing and for that fact alone I hope her vagina falls out.
That wasn't purely Kirsche... but I miss when she went on weirder tangents, rather then cover politics and censorship. Not that I even disagree with her stance on censorship, I just don't want to hear it repeated over and over again from streamers I'm watching.

I guess if she's happy with it, then it's fine.
 

Seth

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Fubuki's Best Friendo
Joined:  Feb 11, 2023
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I can't quote this for some reason but I just wanna say if you think Kirsche brought politics to vtubing I got a bridge to sell ya
Most users shitting on kirsche are just trying to bait proctor lets be honest.
small advice to bait proctor, post porn of kirsche getting railed by piccolo. The last one that posted porn including piccolo got a big reaction from proctor trust me bros.
 

Fauna's Deadest Sapling

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I can't quote this for some reason but I just wanna say if you think Kirsche brought politics to vtubing I got a bridge to sell ya
Of course Kirsche didn't bring politics into vtubing. Put two people in a room together, and eventually you will have politics. What I said was that Kirsche brought a lot of MAGA shitposting, i.e., going off about deep-state conspiracies and paranoia about Leftists, that kinda shit. When I saw clips of her collabing with Filian, I finally felt there was a vtuber for my racist aunts on Facebook.
 

Pencilfreak

OG Pomu fan and former nijisister
Joined:  Jan 23, 2024

Superduper Samurai

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Of course Kirsche didn't bring politics into vtubing. Put two people in a room together, and eventually you will have politics. What I said was that Kirsche brought a lot of MAGA shitposting, i.e., going off about deep-state conspiracies and paranoia about Leftists, that kinda shit. When I saw clips of her collabing with Filian, I finally felt there was a vtuber for my racist aunts on Facebook.
if anything Pippa made some of those jokes first, Kirsche's humor was/is mostly about abhorrent and wierd internet shit like her constant references to sounding
 

White Stone

A literal white stone
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I think Cover is indirectly telling us the timezones of Justice. Look at the clock at the background.
 

El Rrata

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I think Cover is indirectly telling us the timezones of Justice. Look at the clock at the background.

2 in EU, 1 in JP and 1 in NA, then?
 
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ex_lurker

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2 in EU, 1 in JP and 1 in NA, then?
Specifically GMT+1, GMT+2, GMT+9, and GMT-7

So
Bloodflame -> BST
Cecilia -> CET
Raora -> JPT
Gigi -> PST

The only surprising one is Gigi. Who do we currently think her PL is, Biscotti? Do we know where's she from?
 
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El Rrata

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Specifically GMT+1, GMT+2, GMT+9, and GMT-7

So
Bloodflame -> BST
Cecilia -> CET
Raora -> JPT
Gigi -> PST

The only surprising one is Gigi. Who do we currently think her PL is, Biscotti? Do we know where's she from?
Biscotti, yeah. She streamed with PST as her primary timezone when she was in V4Mirai, from the looks of it.
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Koronesuki

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Joined:  Oct 1, 2023
This pretty much confirms Pizza Cat's identity, unless she's a different Italian vtuber living in Japan.
 

God's Strongest Dragoon

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Joined:  Mar 20, 2023
I think Cover is indirectly telling us the timezones of Justice. Look at the clock at the background.

>Italian hag eating tiramisu
Oh cool, we're already hitting the ground running on Italian stereotypes and she hasn't even spoken a word yet
 

Limkin

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Joined:  Mar 1, 2023
That wasn't purely Kirsche... but I miss when she went on weirder tangents, rather then cover politics and censorship. Not that I even disagree with her stance on censorship, I just don't want to hear it repeated over and over again from streamers I'm watching.
It's like Jim Sterling. I am not an idiot, I get that corpos aren't my friends, now could you please continue with the actual theme of the video instead of repeating "Corporations aren't your friends" 2-3 times per sentence?
 
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