No, the two biggest EN Stars are getting their penises exploded, as we speak.
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HoloAdvent En3 Talent Discussion/Debut Thread
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Now vesper can keep grinding his power until reaching Arch wizard rank, but really the odd silence in Cover and the fact that they were not around for the Tempus radio podcast practically guarantee they got yeeted, i pray to be wrong
Edit: new copium, the chapters with Vesper and Magni are probably already recorded but he cant release them for some reason, Agents in the field noticed that in Regus playlist count 3 videos and only 1 is up
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I wish an insider would leak wtf happened to those two cause cover's messaging is so misleading.
Doggos cute as fuck.
Big tiddy goth gf shows some promise.
Crazy eyes not so crazy after all.
Unpopular opinion: rock was meh.
That's all, I'm going back to missing Sana.
Big tiddy goth gf shows some promise.
Crazy eyes not so crazy after all.
Unpopular opinion: rock was meh.
That's all, I'm going back to missing Sana.
Yes.
yessir on the highest degree
I think it was a multitude of things. Youtube's bullshit certainly played a big part, but I also think management really upped their game for this debut. They made a lot of choices that really boosted the debuts. Upping production values, not using obtuse marketing like the retarded 12 hour cube stream, the relay and redirect, and the watchalong to name a few.
Along with better support from management, I think they must have gotten a lot of good advice from the other EN girls, too. Council debuted before Myth were even a year old, so Myth probably helped as much as they could, but I can only imagine how much changed for them in that year, since EN was very much fly-by-pants during that time and shortly after. Now, Advent have Myth going on three years and CouncilRyS going on two. We even have Mumei talking about feeling confident enough with everything, that she feels like a senpai now, compared to last year.
Also, Council was just awkward as fuck for the longest time, far moreso than Advent is now, which certainly did not help.
Myth was almost as bad, to be fair - but they had the shark effect to counteract it, and Council didn't.....
I don't think anybody posted this here yet, so I'll share it now. Apparently Crunchyroll are doing interviews with all of the Advent talents, something that I think also happened with Council at some point? First up is Shiori. I'll be nice, go the A&N route, and archive the whole thing here.
https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/in...lla-hololive-advent-interview-sherlock-holmes
Aside note: I love that she used zalgo text in the interview.
https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/in...lla-hololive-advent-interview-sherlock-holmes
Aside note: I love that she used zalgo text in the interview.
Youtube's sub culling is one of the biggest issues Council had for sure, and they're sort of still recovering from it. That said Council has other issues as well that has made them lag behind the other EN members, with the biggest one is they don't really have an Kiara or Ame equivalent to wrangle them when they collab or to do background work; It sort of gives them a disjointed feeling when they get together for group collabs and results in a lot of avoidable scuff happening (They're alright with smaller collabs though).
They also tend to stay "in their lane" so to speak as the majority of Council are introverts so they're more reactive when it comes to stuff even within their own Gen outside of Bae and Sana before she left. In fact, Council itself feels very segmented; they're all friends who get along, but that group dynamic Myth has wasn't there as much and I think people noticed, which meant there's not as much overlap between them as I've seen with Myth as most people stick to just the individual members.
Lack of management support also hurt them as it meant they were fumbling around trying to find their footing when they should've been in a prime position for growth. Add in a graduation and (per word of Kiara) management acting like total morons about things behind the scenes and Council has more or less become the middle child of HoloEN; not some total failure or disaster, but isn't some massive roaring success like Myth was (and Advent might be if they keep it up).
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I hope Shiorin does things related to literature. The only people I have to watch doing that kind of thing are the "Booktube" community and... well, it could be worse, I guess.
Remember, though - it took quite a while for Kiara to gain the confidence to do any kind of wrangling at all - she was down on herself as the "failure" of myth for quite a while at the beginning, she's grown far more than anyone else in her gen, I feel.
I MEAN....
It will be interesting to see how Advent settles in over the next couple weeks, but maybe not interesting enough to post on the main thread. So it might be worth keeping this thread around/unlocked for a little while longer. Hopefully we can find out more about them and some behind-the-scenes info on how things are run now and what's going on.
HoloEN must have had some pretty big turnover (like OmegaA for example finally being wiped away from existence) and replaced pretty much all management if talents are willing to keep dropping these bombs about how badly it was managed in the past. Can't imagine they'd be willing to dump on them so much if those managers/employees still held sway over them today.
The culling was definitely a part of it but IMO is not the sole reason council lagged behind in sub, a very good proof of it is Irys, she had an absolutely insane debut WITHOUT any culling, she reached 200k before debut, 300k during it and was at the time the fastest Holo to reach 500k, yet here we are 2 years later and she still hasn't reached a million and is around 500k subs aways from the lowest member of Myth, the tru is that and some point after Council debut EN grow slowed to a crawl compared to before, why? Well it could be many reason, the end of the vtuber boon is probably one of them or even could say some of the issues EN was facing at the time were to blame too, like I really loved council, but they struggled hard with adapting to being streamers at the beginning, Mumei was a student who already struggled with keeping up her grades even before Holo, Kronii admitted that adapting to being a full time streamer was new to her and she was struggling and Sana had a laundry list of things that happened, not to mention Fauna had technical difficulties one after the other, plus being a perfectionist, she basically didn't do ASMR, her supposedly main content, for months due to it, only Bae really hit the ground running, now they are all IMO great in their own way but I do feel they failed to ride their own hype.
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I think it was whoever had control over the girls' direct managers, because their immediate managers all seem to still be there since we still hear about the named ones from the Myth girls every once in a while.
Kiara implied Jenma was promoted, so I suspect she might have replaced Omega (and might be behind some of the positive change for EN overall). But we'll probably never know for sure.
Very true, Kiara has grown a lot from the early days of Myth. That said she was always the extrovert, and mentioned a lot about trying to improve Myth as a whole (see her speech at Myth's second anniversary, it's obvious that the whole thing has been on her mind for a while). Councilrys's two extroverts (Bae and Irys) are very laid back and seem more content to do their own thing or go with the flow. The sole person I've seen whose really tried to do wrangling in Council is Fauna to mixed results; the only real times I've recalled her succeeding a bit is in the Minecraft End streams and the Monster Hunter collab, and that was more because of, well, her vidya game Autism making her get frustrated at the unorganized chaos stopping them from doing anything than actually wanting to wrangle them. I could see her maybe becoming the team wrangler, but Fauna seems to be more comfortable in her solo streams or just hanging out; she really doesn't seem like someone to do wrangling like Kiara or Ame do.
