What I remember reading people being salty about was that mangagamer promised to release a second GGN game if the twins reached a certain sub goal (edit 10k subs). They reached it but got shut down instead.
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HoloAdvent En3 Talent Discussion/Debut Thread
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I liked em all, I thought Shiori was the most interesting. I would have said Nerissa was the least interesting but then I watched the PL music someone posted and....
That's fighting dirty how can I not kneel
Here's hoping she sings/cover older slower songs, only the ID girls releases slower nice sounding songs.
EN and JP song releases is either idol song, EDM, or hyper songs.
Now that I slept on that, my thoughts on the latest HoloEN gen....
Basically, out of all the debuts, Bijou nailed it out of the freaking park. In fact, I daresay it's the best HoloEN debut outside of Gura's, which is saying something as there probably won't ever be a debut that is as internet shaking as Gura's. And in true monkey paw fashion, Bijou's stream choices are not exactly things that draw in big numbers (as Kiara demonstrates where she hits her floor playing RPGs), so I guess you can't win everything. That said, Gura really needs a 'successor' as she barely streams nowadays, and I'd say Bijou has shown that if there's anyone who can inherit Gura's timeslot to attract shrimps, it will be her.
That said, Shiorin in the latest collab sounds so good... the 'dead inside' voice with that model fits perfectly (which I find interesting as she was more upbeat as Natsumi). It was obvious in the debut she was hella nervous, and this nervousness really clashed with the character she was trying to play . But with the collab... man, she's making me feel things I don't want to have feelings for. It's so good that I have to avoid it (like Zeta and Mee-maw before), as I can already feel the parasocial tugging. She has by far the best schedule of the bunch, but I will only be consuming her content in moderation as I like my vtubers to be entertaining rather than GFE (and I'm already falling into the latter with her this early in the game - and no, I don't really care if she collabs with males or not).
Nerissa... her game and anime tastes does not fit someone of her RM's age. I mean, 80's music I get as Gura pretty much made it synonymous with vtubers, but FF7/Ocarina of Time would have been released while she was in diapers, while Higurashi/Peach Girl/Clannad would be released before she even became a teenager. And that's not including Macross, which is my all-time anime favourite, and I'm at least a decade older than her. Out of all the girls, Nerissa has the most in common with my tastes... I'm not familiar with Mom0ki, but I have this nagging feeling she is playing up her tastes as a 'boomer' to better suit her character. As such, she is the one I am most wary of in terms of actual streaming content - I'm subscribed to a bunch of good vtuber singers (Athena, Prism Project, etc.) but I wouldn't say these girls are entertaining outside of their karaoke streams, and if Nerissa is faking her likes, who knows where her content is going. Don't get me wrong, Nerissa is a top tier singer, but as an entertainer outside of that is what gives me the most ???.
As for the twins, I personally find Fuwa's voice grating, as she is trying to do the more feminine 'yamato nadeshiko' voice, which sounds natural when she speaks JP but IMO just doesn't work in EN. Moco's more tomboy works well in ENG, so I hope Fuwa transitions more into a natural sounding voice a month or two down the line. On the plus side, their schedule is packed, but I guess it's to be expected as they basically have to work twice as hard, considering they share one channel.
Wasn't there with Myth debuts as I only started watching them a month in after a friend pulled me into the rabbit hole. Old-timers may correct me or fill in the specifics, but from I remember of the farms thread (yes I read the entire thing from the beginning when it was only sub 1k posts), all of them were already guessed before their debut but confidence wasn't high until after.
One thing I do remember was that Gura wasn't even a 100% confidence even after her debut, as that was the origin of the meme of "It's HER" or "It's not HER" started. Basically Senzawa had a much more 'dead' and low voice, while debut Gura pitched up her voice and was much more genki. Some were saying Sen was rebranding like Filthy Frank, while others claim it's not the same girl. Only after GurAme minecraft stream where Ame had a 'dream' of Gura and the plural of moose, in which Ame basically linked Gura to one of the few surviving Senzawa YT archive stream, was when the HER/not HER meme started to die down hard. Even funnier was that Gura retaliated some time after in the same stream, where she asked Ame if she had a nickname and 'randomly' suggests Becca out of nowhere. Man, if that happened nowadays, I bet Gura would have been suspended from intentionally doxxing the RM instead of the PL. XD
Basically, out of all the debuts, Bijou nailed it out of the freaking park. In fact, I daresay it's the best HoloEN debut outside of Gura's, which is saying something as there probably won't ever be a debut that is as internet shaking as Gura's. And in true monkey paw fashion, Bijou's stream choices are not exactly things that draw in big numbers (as Kiara demonstrates where she hits her floor playing RPGs), so I guess you can't win everything. That said, Gura really needs a 'successor' as she barely streams nowadays, and I'd say Bijou has shown that if there's anyone who can inherit Gura's timeslot to attract shrimps, it will be her.
That said, Shiorin in the latest collab sounds so good... the 'dead inside' voice with that model fits perfectly (which I find interesting as she was more upbeat as Natsumi). It was obvious in the debut she was hella nervous, and this nervousness really clashed with the character she was trying to play . But with the collab... man, she's making me feel things I don't want to have feelings for. It's so good that I have to avoid it (like Zeta and Mee-maw before), as I can already feel the parasocial tugging. She has by far the best schedule of the bunch, but I will only be consuming her content in moderation as I like my vtubers to be entertaining rather than GFE (and I'm already falling into the latter with her this early in the game - and no, I don't really care if she collabs with males or not).
Nerissa... her game and anime tastes does not fit someone of her RM's age. I mean, 80's music I get as Gura pretty much made it synonymous with vtubers, but FF7/Ocarina of Time would have been released while she was in diapers, while Higurashi/Peach Girl/Clannad would be released before she even became a teenager. And that's not including Macross, which is my all-time anime favourite, and I'm at least a decade older than her. Out of all the girls, Nerissa has the most in common with my tastes... I'm not familiar with Mom0ki, but I have this nagging feeling she is playing up her tastes as a 'boomer' to better suit her character. As such, she is the one I am most wary of in terms of actual streaming content - I'm subscribed to a bunch of good vtuber singers (Athena, Prism Project, etc.) but I wouldn't say these girls are entertaining outside of their karaoke streams, and if Nerissa is faking her likes, who knows where her content is going. Don't get me wrong, Nerissa is a top tier singer, but as an entertainer outside of that is what gives me the most ???.
As for the twins, I personally find Fuwa's voice grating, as she is trying to do the more feminine 'yamato nadeshiko' voice, which sounds natural when she speaks JP but IMO just doesn't work in EN. Moco's more tomboy works well in ENG, so I hope Fuwa transitions more into a natural sounding voice a month or two down the line. On the plus side, their schedule is packed, but I guess it's to be expected as they basically have to work twice as hard, considering they share one channel.
Council was 5/5 IIRC, but confidence on Bae being Marica wasn't high, but was the lead deduction (IIRC from Miori being one of her first few friends in twitter). Fauna got Shondo'd, Sana did a PON and replied with the wrong twit account, Mumei's artsyle was very similar, while Kronii had her friend twit a very detailed fanart only minutes into her twitter debut.
Wasn't there with Myth debuts as I only started watching them a month in after a friend pulled me into the rabbit hole. Old-timers may correct me or fill in the specifics, but from I remember of the farms thread (yes I read the entire thing from the beginning when it was only sub 1k posts), all of them were already guessed before their debut but confidence wasn't high until after.
One thing I do remember was that Gura wasn't even a 100% confidence even after her debut, as that was the origin of the meme of "It's HER" or "It's not HER" started. Basically Senzawa had a much more 'dead' and low voice, while debut Gura pitched up her voice and was much more genki. Some were saying Sen was rebranding like Filthy Frank, while others claim it's not the same girl. Only after GurAme minecraft stream where Ame had a 'dream' of Gura and the plural of moose, in which Ame basically linked Gura to one of the few surviving Senzawa YT archive stream, was when the HER/not HER meme started to die down hard. Even funnier was that Gura retaliated some time after in the same stream, where she asked Ame if she had a nickname and 'randomly' suggests Becca out of nowhere. Man, if that happened nowadays, I bet Gura would have been suspended from intentionally doxxing the RM instead of the PL. XD
LOve everyone and i dont wanna sound like a mean person but if The goth girl is going to stay with that debut energy in her first year then i dont know if it was a good idea to come out of retirement.
Debuts are debuts, though. No reason to think she won't be able to find her groove I don't think....
The final report of ADUVENTO (slide card in dragon head)
Shiori: she doesnt look the part that lean hard in the idol thingy, but she feels like a Zatsu specialist, i suppose Cover noticed that Vesperis going to get shitcanned this week had a weird and seizable niche and found someone that can fill that spot in EN3
Bijori: the little rock is a all rounder like Gura, doomposters may say that she will replace Gura soon because of course they have to say that shit, i need to hear more of her songs to do a final assessment
Nerissa: this one is hard to pinpoint, you can feel hardcore someone with VA training like Flayon, like i said on the discord she feels very close of what Amalee/Monarch is, i even joked that if Cy Yu appeared in stream would not look out of place, obviously the vsinger of the group with fuck awesome skills, her debut solidify her with the weird honor of being called the Suisei of EN, a thing unheard of until now
Fuwacoco: bet you feel like idiots now MangaGaymers, as expected of the GGN girls now they can be the idols they wanted to be, first debuts i witness where they made people like Oga fluster (man even noticed a detail that their tail can go up and down too), Iroha sadge (she like to fluff tails and ears and started to find loopholes about the rule of no touching), they even made the Moon gayer, the high command of JP has noticed them, would not be surprised if they moved to JP in the following months
Shiori: she doesnt look the part that lean hard in the idol thingy, but she feels like a Zatsu specialist, i suppose Cover noticed that Vesper
Bijori: the little rock is a all rounder like Gura, doomposters may say that she will replace Gura soon because of course they have to say that shit, i need to hear more of her songs to do a final assessment
Nerissa: this one is hard to pinpoint, you can feel hardcore someone with VA training like Flayon, like i said on the discord she feels very close of what Amalee/Monarch is, i even joked that if Cy Yu appeared in stream would not look out of place, obviously the vsinger of the group with fuck awesome skills, her debut solidify her with the weird honor of being called the Suisei of EN, a thing unheard of until now
Fuwacoco: bet you feel like idiots now MangaGaymers, as expected of the GGN girls now they can be the idols they wanted to be, first debuts i witness where they made people like Oga fluster (man even noticed a detail that their tail can go up and down too), Iroha sadge (she like to fluff tails and ears and started to find loopholes about the rule of no touching), they even made the Moon gayer, the high command of JP has noticed them, would not be surprised if they moved to JP in the following months
Man, that REALLY puts into perspective how hard Council got FUCKED by Youtube culling bullshit. Looks like they haven't been hit by anything yet. But makes me wonder how much Council's initial lagging can be attributed to malicious Youtube algo hijinx.
I don't think YT culling was the only factor in Council's debut performance, the overall way it was structured was sub-par. But it did hurt them a lot I figure.
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This hasn't happened for Holo channels for a while, and it only affects FuwaMoco. Their debut VOD can't be watched on Holodex but Nerissa's debut VOD works.
A lot of JP chat in FuwaMoco Morning.
iirc Youtube limit where you can stream if your account is fresh (not recently created but recently used) i think the Holodex devs explained it better than me
Can't recall if there were any other tweets other than this one.
Maybe if you didn't talk like babies, people wouldn't have confused locked and fucked
Just watching it climb as they go... already up to 311k and only ~10 minutes in to their morning stream. [checked just before I'm submitting and 312k sheesh. edit: 314k by end of stream and I think I saw 38k CCV. not a bad start!]
It never hit me, probably because for me it is normal and I only notice when it is the opposite, but at least so far none of them seem to be the "swear every other word" type like Calli and Kiara. I at least appreciate that, but we'll see if it holds out. They might be recommended to be "clean/seiso" for debut streams and we'll have to see what happens as they ease into normal streaming and chatting. [LOL as I'm typing this Fuwa is denying she swore and did say "locked" not f-ed.]
As an aside, I was surprised that Calli mentioned in the above video that she is trying to clean it up some and swear less. With that, pausing DDK, and her efforts to push the Calli channel more, is she really trying to rebrand/reinvent herself or at least focus more on being an "idol"?
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Edit: Q&A tomorrow! If you want to participate #helpFWMC*
PHOGS is on the menu for later this evening. The way they talk about it sounds like it'll be chaotic goodness!*
