General Vtuber Discussion (V1)

[reinigen]

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Spoiler: tweet

So this old tweet from Calli popped on my timeline today and I was wondering why, the I saw the recent replies, and well:

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I case you don't know/remember or willfully deleted the context from your memories:

Spoiler: Horsing Context

Mori Calliope Horse Audio

Mori Calliope Horse Audio refers to a deepfake audio file of virtual YouTuber Mori Calliope giving a horse oral sex. The audio file was uploaded to 4chan's

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This meme definitely has more legs that I thought it would.

The best part is with Calli's sense of humor, she's probably laughing her ass of if she sees those replies.

In about half an hour from now, Rin Penrose will commit Tax Evasion (as a Turnip):

Currently 25 or so minutes in, and she's at 1030 CCV. Also now at 129k subs. Looking good so far you crazy Brit.

 

[Paladin]

OK, I go into the dungeon to play Re4 remake, and I come back to see skitzos are baby-raging about yuko getting dick. What the fuck happened? Did she fuck a man on air or sum shit? Seems like there are even more butt mad now than they were during the @yukoskitzo arc.

 

[The Rrat]

It still blows my mind how Fauna has successfully groomed the saplings into ignoring anything about Eddy lol

A good number of them likely have no idea or just don't care as long as they don't see it. Not like people even know anything of his existence more than his name, anyway.

Speaking of the deer girl, she is back tonight after her break.

 

[Shuba Saber]

Currently 25 or so minutes in, and she's at 1030 CCV. Also now at 129k subs. Looking good so far you crazy Brit.

She got raided by Sava and Skye back to back but even before that, she was hovering at 600-700. This prince is doing amazing

 

[Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで]

This meme definitely has more legs that I thought it would.

Six of them in total.

Here's an interesting story. A streamer for Amber Glow has announced she will only be doing ASMR and presumably other quiet streams until she can move due to harassment from her neighbors.

https://archive.is/wip/fWmEc

Not sure how much I should buy that story on face value, but I suppose it's possible she lives in some soviet-era block apartment with uninsulated walls and her neighbors are tired of her talking for four hours straight every other day or whatever.

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

Not sure how much I should buy that story on face value, but I suppose it's possible she lives in some soviet-era block apartment with uninsulated walls and her neighbors are tired of her talking for four hours straight every other day or whatever.

You really don't hear shit from your neighbors unless they're actually screaming at the top of their lungs, or throwing furniture around. Which my neighbors seem to do constantly.
t. 197something and then 1968 commieblock resident

 

[Hff201]

2 dum Ideas I have about this stuff:
1. I think there's some kind of basic monkey-banana brain chemicals things where "give to single woman" = feels good brain reward, give to NOT SINGLE woman = brain make stress feel bad don't do it anymore. It's just that stupid brain trying to get you to make babies or spread the bananas more fairly. You trick your brain into making you feel good, now you trick your brain into making you feel bad.
2. If it's emotional closeness RP like GFE, ASMR or even just certain personalities, then knowing the girl is in a relationship is going to make that part of it feel weird. It's just natural: If you friends GF was making kissing noises in you ear and hugging you and telling you how special you are all the time, it would weird you out right? You would feel something was wrong, either you're doing something inappropriate or there's something very insincere about it.

So I don't blame people if they get upset, but that doesn't mean I won't laugh at them for being schitzos about it.

The modern feminist "sex-positive" culture has absolutely poisoned young men's understandings of women. Regardless of your ethical position on promiscuity/premarital sex/"friends with benefits" etc. you should be able to identify the difference between a woman you use for a bit of fun and a woman who's genuinely girlfriend/wife material by how they carry themselves (regardless of whether they act romantically in the moment); but we have an entire generation of men who've been shamed for even humouring the thought that falling in love with a chick who takes five different dicks in a night won't be healthy for them long-term.

How does this tie in to the vtuber/unicorn shit? Well, women who host the erotic ASMR streams are the former group, no matter the roleplay involved. They are offering sexual gratification to their entire audience without any meaningful courtship leading up to it, so they are sex objects. That statement is only as derogatory as they allow it to be, but it's important for a young man to realise they are engaging with the content in that context and act accordingly, and it's important for young women to consider how that kind of conduct will affect their future relationships and how potential partners will see them.

You're not supposed to develop feelings for the chick on Pornhub, and you're not supposed to develop feelings for the chick who whispers in your ear while humping a plush toy. This problem is the logical conclusion of years of women's "empowerment" at the expense of men's self-preservation instincts.

 

[The Rrat]

So here's a question: what exactly constitutes GFE/BFE? I always thought it was direct RP with viewers like Rushia did and Vox does in terms of actually having conversations about being GF/BF with viewers.

As far as I know (I don't watch her ASMR streams so I could be missing something) Fauna would normally not really fit in to that category. Even her membership streams are just like her public ones. Pretty much just her talking about stuff while playing games. I would say she is not even as parasocial as Kiara, who I also don't think is a GFE streamer.

Like, what qualities of a stream make it GFE/BFE content? I am legitimately curious about what the underlying definition of it is.

 

[Nenélove]

You really don't hear shit from your neighbors unless they're actually screaming at the top of their lungs, or throwing furniture around. Which my neighbors seem to do constantly.
t. 197something and then 1968 commieblock resident

Commies ruined architecture. But chink buildings are even worse, not only are they utilitarian and ugly, but they're also cheaply made like everything the chinks do.

 

[Hff201]

So here's a question: what exactly constitutes GFE/BFE? I always thought it was direct RP with viewers like Rushia and Vox. As far as I know (I don't watch her ASMR streams so I could be missing something) Fauna would normally not really fit in to that category. Even her membership streams are just like her public ones. Pretty much just her talking about stuff while playing games. I would say she is not even as parasocial as Kiara, who I also don't think is a GFE streamer.

Like, what qualities of a stream make it GFE/BFE content? I am legitimately curious about what the underlying definition of it is.

If we're talking the strict definition then "girlfriend experience" or "boyfriend experience" is the theme of a certain kind of roleplay, but I've seen the terms used generally for any kind of intimate content, so I think it's one of those situations where it kinda doesn't really mean much any more.

 

[Sithis]

So here's a question: what exactly constitutes GFE/BFE? I always thought it was direct RP with viewers like Rushia and Vox. As far as I know (I don't watch her ASMR streams so I could be missing something) Fauna would normally not really fit in to that category. Even her membership streams are just like her public ones. Pretty much just her talking about stuff while playing games. I would say she is not even as parasocial as Kiara, who I also don't think is a GFE streamer.

Like, what qualities of a stream make it GFE/BFE content? I am legitimately curious about what the underlying definition of it is.

GFE IS WHEN WOMEN TALK TO ME POSITIVELY, REEEEEE
lmao idk honestly there are various forms of it.
Most important common element seems to be willingness to remain cgdct and foregoing male collabs etc, while gushing over chat and doing things like v-day love letters and stuff. Zoey, Miori, Shiina, Rushia, Katta and tubers like them are a bit more direct with it - Zoey and Katta flat out refer to themselves as "wives" for example, and make very conscious efforts to never be seen as "cheating" on chat, keeping up the illusion. Rushia went as far as releasing physical merch that looked like a wedding ring. Miori to me seems more like a friendly parasocial but apparently she leans hard into GFE in terms of just being on stream and sweet, exchanging "I love yous" with the beerpals and stuff. There are some who think Lisa and Mumei are GFE which personally I don't see, but that illustrates how broad the definition is and can be. Really it just comes down to the level of autism held by the viewer I guess, I'm sure somewhere out there are weirdos who think Calli is GFE

From the male perspective of it, the fujos seem awfully convinced by Vox, though I just think he's a manwhore

 

[Audi Vide Tace]

So here's a question: what exactly constitutes GFE/BFE? I always thought it was direct RP with viewers like Rushia did and Vox does in terms of actually having conversations about being GF/BF with viewers.

As far as I know (I don't watch her ASMR streams so I could be missing something) Fauna would normally not really fit in to that category. Even her membership streams are just like her public ones. Pretty much just her talking about stuff while playing games. I would say she is not even as parasocial as Kiara, who I also don't think is a GFE streamer.

Like, what qualities of a stream make it GFE/BFE content? I am legitimately curious about what the underlying definition of it is.

Honestly probably as you said. Actually alluding to the concept of romance between the viewer and streamer. Many cases are people probably just abusing the claim to be libelous.

Only person who came close to that in HoloEN would be Bae then, right? Only for those few RP streams she did, of course.

 

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Spoiler: Archive

https://archive.ph/1BIxT

 

[Empty_Inbox]

A certain game being mentioned here made me seek out this clip of Towa:



How did I find it? Of course, by browsing this here 2k+ video [playlist], Hololive Tokoyami Towa Clips!

(this hobby takes too much time)

Tell me about it, lol

 

[this shit]

So here's a question: what exactly constitutes GFE/BFE? I always thought it was direct RP with viewers like Rushia did and Vox does in terms of actually having conversations about being GF/BF with viewers.

As far as I know (I don't watch her ASMR streams so I could be missing something) Fauna would normally not really fit in to that category. Even her membership streams are just like her public ones. Pretty much just her talking about stuff while playing games. I would say she is not even as parasocial as Kiara, who I also don't think is a GFE streamer.

Like, what qualities of a stream make it GFE/BFE content? I am legitimately curious about what the underlying definition of it is.

Fauna's asmr usually are scripted roleplays with a theme or non verbal, she never did boyfriend/husband stuff

 

[ValkyrieAce]

Honestly probably as you said. Actually alluding to the concept of romance between the viewer and streamer. Many cases are people probably just abusing the claim to be libelous.

Only person who came close to that in HoloEN would be Bae then, right? Only for those few RP streams she did, of course.

Bae doesn't count because she's visibly cringing when she does it. She's got some prerecorded stuff, but she usually regrets it and talks shit about it later.

 

[reinigen]

Only person who came close to that in HoloEN would be Bae then, right? Only for those few RP streams she did, of course.

Fauna's asmr usually are scripted roleplays with a theme or non verbal, she never did boyfriend/husband stuff

Yea, I would say none of Holo-EN falls into the GFE category, as anything they've done like this has been EXPLICITLY roleplay. They've done a good job of avoiding it IMO.

 

[Titanosaurus]

Like, what qualities of a stream make it GFE/BFE content? I am legitimately curious about what the underlying definition of it is.

It should be when they lean more heavily on romantic roleplay and intimate ASMR or such and don't do things that would undermine this. But many people apply it to Vtubers who only dip into this content, like a once a month ASMR steam that's slightly sexual or intimate or the more standard "I love you guys so much" type treatments.

If we're talking the strict definition then "girlfriend experience" or "boyfriend experience" is the theme of a certain kind of roleplay, but I've seen the terms used generally for any kind of intimate content, so I think it's one of those situations where it kinda doesn't really mean much any more.

^Yeah this.

Most important common element seems to be willingness to remain cgdct and foregoing male collabs etc, while gushing over chat and doing things like v-day love letters and stuff. Zoey, Miori, Shiina, Rushia, Katta and tubers like them are a bit more direct with it - Zoey and Katta flat out refer to themselves as "wives" for example, and make very conscious efforts to never be seen as "cheating" on chat, keeping up the illusion.

I think it's hard on some of these, like Shiina, who want to be competitive and gives fans what they want, but also don't want to be full GFE. Shiina has flat out said she can't ever date any cookies and such, many times. I wouldn't be surprised if she has some kind of tech chart trying to figure out exactly how much affection and sensual ASMR she can give out with out crumbling her fanbase into a pit of coomers and schitzos. There's no doubt she's picked up a lot of fans as she's been warmer and cuter towards her fans and done the ASMR streams. But some how the Cookies are pretty mellow and behaved still.
Edit: Just have to say I do think Shiina has honest platonic affection and love for her fans!

Also Remi Has a PSA

 

[Zizara]

Meanwhile ironmouse technically remains THE safest chuuba for schizos to unicorn for, because life is nonsensical

The antis try to get to her, but based Mouse stays strong

 

[Sithis]

I think it's hard on some of these, like Shiina, who want to be competitive and gives fans what they want, but also don't want to be full GFE. Shiina has flat out said she can't ever date any cookies and such, many times. I wouldn't be surprised if she has some kind of tech chart trying to figure out exactly how much affection and sensual ASRM she can give out with out crumbling her fanbase into a pit of coomers and schitzos. There's no doubt she's picked up a lot of fans as she's been warmer and cuter towards her fans and done the ASMR streams. But some how the Cookies are pretty mellow and behaved still.

Tbf Shiina has a lot of fans like us ITT who were already supportive of her before she started GFE stuff. It's fun to joke and ironically goslingpost about sometimes but I think most of her core fans are like-minded and just like the chill streams and entertainment she provides. The newer fans who only come for the GFE probably get filtered somewhat by her not committing full tilt to it, which is fine imo, her growth has been stable and organic which is a good thing. Most of the schizo unicorns on /vt/ won't touch her because of the wontons yab from her PL so the GFE seekers that do make it through are typically not schizo enough to go digging, a positive sign.
I can also 100% see her as the type to have an actual strategy book for how she manages it lol

I shitpost about her being wife etc but don't worry, I'm not actually that autistic, it's just fun. I guess it could be said I feel parasocial toward her but not in the "omg she LOVES me" way - I do actually feel concern for her and think she's a decent person, if something happened to her I would be sadder than if some random celeb died etc, and it makes me smile when she does well and is happy - that counts as parasocial right?