General Vtuber Discussion (V1)

[lakyus]

New Onolumi recap

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Spoiler: Local copy

 

[Faceless Waifu]

They're also playing with two others I'm not familiar with:

I dont recognize the Taco but i'm 80% sure that ONShannon is not!Siska Leontyne from Niji ex-ID.

 

[JellyKusa]

May I suggest a heretical idea of doing it cross-company? This will keep you occupied for a while until EN3 is out

I would
I was a big supporter of Kiara x Nina, they have a lovely little dynamic going on that I want to see more of, its like Hag and Hag-in-training; Kiara could learn a lot from Nina and I think sooner or later she will become what Nina was for Niji
PomuTori is boring and too sexual, Pomu obviously only wants Kiara as her trophywife and Kiara is easely impressed but PomuTori is too forced
I do think that in the ever-expanding relationship chart in my brain, Pomu is a fun side-chick for Kiara

Edit: I ship in more ways than just romantically btw. I am not against it and enjoy that side temendously as well, but there is so much more to shipping than just kissy gay sex

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

Aqua starts a quest to become so assertive and outgoing that it'd make Suisei blush!



Also, surrounding Aqua with lots of Suiseis to the point it's matching the meme can't possibly have been an accident.

Also have a seiso young lady at a summer festival:

 

[MornLurker]

Iofi.

Edit: both using facecam as well.

They're also playing with two others I'm not familiar with:

I dont recognize the Taco but i'm 80% sure that ONShannon is not!Siska Leontyne from Niji ex-ID.

Shannon is Siska, the account was also made around a few months before her eventual graduation from Niji iirc
Tako/gek is Risu

Interesting that Risu has no problem doing facecam stream now seeing that she almost never did it on previous streams, guess most IDs besides Anya just don't really care about opsec anymore

 

[Last Of The Mohicans]

Spoiler: This is the only time I will cope.

At least within HoloPro, most of the past graduations/terminations came out of no where with no chance of doomposting. Just look Sana [...]

 

[Watamate]

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Hmmmmm, Interesting.

Would "tomorrow" line up with a 2-week shadow suspension of Vesper and Magni?

Can i ask why people here hate/want Hololive EN3 so bad?

If it's a solo debut along the lines of IRyS, I will welcome it wholeheartedly. But I feel like an entire 5 person generation would start to cannibalize the other EN members. The last thing I want is for them to turn into Nijisanji where I couldn't even attempt to name a single EN member past their 3rd wave.

 

[Kourai]

If you have a big nose, you're going to be rich. -Jelly Hoshiumi

Chat immediately:
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Lumi immediately caught on, saying Jelly is from a third world country, doesn't know, she's an idol, etc. These are true; it's obvious she doesn't get it or mean it in this way, but it was still funny.

I guess now we know why Phase picked up the Tsunderia survivors and Idol picked up Cyberlive.

Tangentally related, do we have Hoomans and Saplings here? As in people with Mumei or Fauna as their oshi?

Yes. Should I convert my mental spreadsheet to an actual spreadsheet?

Aster's anniversary stream is a handcam magic show
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I've never heard of any Vtuber specialising in stage magic before this; I guess the reason why is obvious.

That reminds me about what Aia said about Iluna having a weird debut. Someone brought up that they all had >100k subs on their PLs. The thing is, they all had >100k subs, but not all of them did things that could translate to Vtubing at all. IIRC one of them was a beauty channel, when the whole point of Vtubing is to stream with an avatar instead of your face.

There doesn’t need to be any more waves in any of the branches. People love to complain about made up problems like dead hours and stagnation just because they want a shiny new thing to consoom.

You can say you don't think stagnation is a problem without asserting that nobody else actually believes it.

 

[MornLurker]

Oga will be doing another Omotenashi from Hell collab tomorrow, this time guests will be Ollie and Bae


Previous collabs have been a pretty fun watch of cultural exchange and people suffering from spices (unless you're A-chan) so I'm looking forward to this one too

 

[Scuddle]

Would "tomorrow" line up with a 2-week shadow suspension of Vesper and Magni?

July 10-24, yes.

I think Magni and Ves are probably safe, though. It would be PR suicide for them to be anything else. The only issue I see is with people getting their hopes up for EN3 and this video turning out to be Tempus anniversary stuff.

 

[PekoWick]

Mikeneko will join voiceore

 

[Crush]

Mike is joining a, "vtuber-that-aspire-to-be-VA agency". From what I've heard doesn't seem like a full on corpo like HoloLive.
edit:

Mikeneko will join voiceore

Ah so that's what it's called. Also this comment and my comment were posted at literally the exact same time, down to the second

 

[Nigel Nigerman]

Mike is joining a, "vtuber-that-aspire-to-be-VA agency". From what I've heard doesn't seem like a full on corpo like HoloLive.

Neat! Now she has a corpo where she can go full-on MENHERA.

 

[BlueSharkTV]

Mikeneko will join voiceore

Mike is joining a, "vtuber-that-aspire-to-be-VA agency". From what I've heard doesn't seem like a full on corpo like HoloLive.

I think aoi nabi (the artist for ame and uto) made the designs for their talents, i remember someone on the homeland saying they only became vtubers to promote their work, don't know if mike is going for seiyu now, but i think they have bilibili pages or something like that and maybe a chinese talent or two, and if they do i don't know how well received mike will be by the chinks.
EDIT1: she made the designs of kogane and rena.

Spoiler: kogane

Spoiler: rena

EDIT2: not connected to the chinks by the look of it, but they added mike to their page.

 

[Takodachi]

Sorry, I'm a bit behind my mike reps, but when did michael leave vshoujo? Or is she planning to work for two agencies at the same time?

 

[Alchemyth]

Mike is joining a, "vtuber-that-aspire-to-be-VA agency". From what I've heard doesn't seem like a full on corpo like HoloLive.
edit:

Ah so that's what it's called. Also this comment and my comment were posted at literally the exact same time, down to the second

What are the chances this is a black company? Breaking an NDA would've probably gotten her blacklisted by most companies, no?

 

[UberSoldat]

Sorry, I'm a bit behind my mike reps, but when did michael leave vshoujo? Or is she planning to work for two agencies at the same time?

It's currently just a rrat

 

[White Stone]

July 10-24, yes.

I think Magni and Ves are probably safe, though. It would be PR suicide for them to be anything else. The only issue I see is with people getting their hopes up for EN3 and this video turning out to be Tempus anniversary stuff.

Well, I think the comment was joking. Besides, the teaser ended with a "Hololive English" logo, while "Holostars English" has their own separate logo.

 

[JellyKusa]

She also asked KFP what whe want for the 2023 Outfit and i think Fever Night workout clothing won.

Yeah, and I think its a great choice
Kiara in an 80s aerobics gym outfit would be peak

Cover had no problem announcing when Vesper was suspended the first time. I fail to see why they would reverse that decision in the most recent announcement. I don’t really understand why people actively enjoy getting caught up in retarded speculation so much.

The issue is, Cover is just a company, and just because they did something one way before, doesnt mean they will deal with the same situation in the same way again. Things can change at the drop of a hat

This is something so true that even Stars JP suffer from the same thing

hm

As shown by Suisei, the talents get to have input on their relax time figures.


So I'm gonna do a bit of coping and take this as a good sign. Chama is doing well enough that she got to approve how the figure looked before they finalized the release.

I am not sure, but the outfit on the figure look a lot like the underwear she showed on stream, when Haachama did a showcase of her panties and lingerie

Back then? Unironically, yeah. Shion (highschool dropout) was also hired underage. Subaru may have been. Sora depends on how deep the kayfabe goes. All at a time when it was known as erolive (Choco being a thing and for a time their top talent before Susan nerfed her ASMR). And the whole Mel's manager thing was frankly worse than all of Niji's shit this year, Cover was just lucky it happened before it became big in the west and thus dodged controversy.

Cover had no idea what it was doing and fucked up a hilarious number of times. But since it was smol back then, it had the time to get its shit in order, rather than getting its shit pushed in.

If Cover started today, as a smol corpo like Phase or Idol, and made the same mistakes? Dead, a laughing stock, and probably in a league with WACTOR.

The would most certainly be above WACTOR still
Hololive stumbeld a lot, at the beginning, just like Niji and thats because there was no guide on how to run a vtuber corp and there was no better way to learn that by burning yourself
They could have done better, but imo not much better, the bastards were stumbling in the dark
These days the requirements are much higher to even be a small respected agency, and that is because there is a rough template to follow
So many of the early yabs simply would not have happend if Cover got started today, in lets say 2022.

Early Hololive had fuck-ups, and if they happend now, yeah they would be a Corpo with a bad reputation, but extrapolating from there, if they, just as now, learned from their mistakes and get better and remain drama-free (which they have been more or less since Rushia yab, imo) then they would be a solid company, known for a dark past that got better. And that last part is crucial, many companies never get any better but Cover did, assuming they even would do all those yabs as a new company in 2022, they then also would get better over the years, just they actually did in the real timeline

Wait... what is Kiara doing in the UK?

Kiara is going to watch the LOTR Musical with her ex-Roommate and just general tourist shit
Its just for a quick 2 or 3 days at most

This trio is pretty great. I thought Mumei might be more shy with Reine and Kiara, but she seems very comfortable.

I believe that Kiara and Mumei are closer than it might seem. They have not collabed a bunch on stream, but Kiara is likely still the Myth member Mumei is the closest to and I think Kiara takes some kind of pride into being a Senpai and tries earnestly her best to see that her kohais are well looked-after. She doesn't have to do any of that but she naturally is the kinda person that just likes taking care of stuff, be it cats, plants, or a little bird kouhai.
On stream, they have mesh together better than one would expect, given the little interactions they have had, and I think its because they talk to each other more behind the scenes.

I remember Kiara saying that she talks about true-crime a lot with Mumei and Gura and she shares cool episodes with them and stuff.

Another thing that might be getting to her is that she probably is not going out much and staying indoors. Shiina had a similar moment when she expressed wanting to get a part-time at Starbucks back when she hit 15-20k subs.

Reading stuff like this always makes me happy that Kiara has an active social life outside of vtubers. Even she does not go out much, but 1-2 times a month she has some kind of little thing where either is is invited to a party or she invites people over.
She is not the most prolific grass-toucher ever but for a vtuber and even in Hololive, I believe she is above average.

Somewhat random but this picture reminded me yet again... As someone who really doesn't enjoy Kronii at all, but does like Mumei and Fauna, the Kronii/Mumei and recently picking up Kronii/Fauna (and sometimes three-way) shipping that is EVERYWHERE really gets grating. Like it feels like it gets inserted constantly now. It seems like even Fauna and Mumei have been leaning into it frequently lately more and more. I'm not sure if they actually like the ship or are just doing it because they think it will appease their audience, and I'm not sure which would be worse.

Is this how people felt when the Calli/Kiara ship was being pushed hard at the beginning of Myth and they had a big dislike for one of them? I didn't really like either of them and it was annoying to constantly hear about, but since I didn't have any investment in either of those two, it was easier to ignore at the time.

Anyway, that's my rant for today, I'll try to avoid anymore. Got it out of my system.

KronFauMei is the current day TakaMori, yeah. KronMei especially has (on a technical level, if you just were to break the dynamics and girls into common tropes) a lot in common with Takamori.
But unlike 2020-2021 Takamori, the girls are having fun with it and play into it and the addion of Fauna keeps things fresh.
But it is absolutely the ship that gets the most attention from Fans rn, be it art or literature.
This also something I see more with the Fanbases of all three. Takamori fans back then, and now even less, were not pure Takamori watchers. They generally were people who watched all of Myth. They would ship Kiara and Calli romantically, but also still add in the other Myth girls in some way. Many old-school Takamori shippers are pro-Polymyth as well.
KronFauMei fans just seem to exist in their own bubble, other Holomems outside of these three dont seem to exist.

But in the end, the shippers are just a sub-sub category of the fanbase. Dont let them influence how you see the girls, enjoy the cute art them kissing and hugging and then go on with your day. Nothing is lost by ingoring shipfags.
If you just happen to be a shipfag (totally not me), it can very much strengthen and improve your experience in the community.

Don't worry, I completely understand that feel, as I feel the same way for the Ametori ship, with Ame being my favorite and Kiara being my least favorite.

AmeTori is a special one. Probably next to PomuTori my least favorite Kiara ship. (Romantic) Ships dont really work overall with Ame, she never engages in them. AmeSame is cute in art but that stuff is mostly carried by fans with delusions from back in 2020. Ame is cool to ship and explore non-romantic dynamics with, especially in a lore sense, thats why I am a huge supporter of TimeDuo (AmeTori lore version is pretty cool as well ngl, with Ame going back and meeting different past lives of Kiara and getting to know her better that way to help her solve a current-day conflict with Kiara).

Anyways, AmeTori falls flat because Kiara admires Ame and her technological abilities. Kiara knows about computers about as much as the average white woman, so she considers Ame a God. Also she is absolutely clueless as to what a Gosling actually is, and proudly claims herself as the #1 Gosling and #1 Teamate and has even said so in front of Ame during the offcollab. Kiara seems to believe that a Gosling is just another name for "Fan of Amelia Watson". When Kiara gets like that, Ame just goes back into her shell, doesn't acknowledge what Kiara just said and ignores it. For the best, but Kiaras german lack of takt just makes her repeat it again to get some kind of response from Ame.

TL;DR: Kiara puts Ame on a pedestal and whorships her and lowers herself in front of Ame. That makes Ame really uncomfortable, but Kiara doesn't care, she thinks too highly of Ame to consider that. Also a false assumption about the meaning of what a Gosling is makes makes Ame cringe, a lot.

Meanwhile, IRyS...

Have Irys and Bae offcollab much? Or even hang out off-stream together? I would expect that they would take advantage of Bae being in Japan to spend as much time as possible together
Maybe my expectations are skewed because of Takamori

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