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PleaseCheckYourReceipts

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It's fun watching internet stuff blew up and sink. Just look at Mixer.

Also hoping Kick will stick around since it is practically funded by a casino (which is funny af).

Someone need to break Twitch monopoly in the streaming industry, just take a look at their ad rules that get immediate backlash from streaming giants.

There's a pretty good chance Kick only exists to promote their gambling business. Assuming that's the case, Kick itself won't need to be profitable as long as it drives money to their casino games.

The only thing I see happening with Kick is an eventual lawsuit over DMCA. AFAIK, they don't have a system in place for it.

Was going to edit this into the other post, but this is a little longer.

On the economics of it, Kick actually could make it. At the end of it all, these platforms can only make money by monetizing the Eyeballs. A cut of subs wouldn't hurt, but it's not really that much money for a platform as people think. The cut matters a lot more for the creators than the platform. Kick's 95/5 will probably stay for a while, as they can run numbers as well as anyone else can and should realize it's not worth trying to monetize that direction. Further, it increases user interaction in gifting subs because the users feel like it's going to the creators.

This is why the real play has been to find ways to integrate active advertising into the platform and for the users. Twitch is obsessed with going the Youtube video ads way and it's supremely annoying. TV-like isn't the way for live streaming. Well, sort of TV like. There's this sport called Football (or Soccer in the States), they're able to find a lot of ways to advertise to eyeballs with a running clock game play. It's not the NFL, but literally nothing else on the planet is. But, since Kick is full bore on Gambling, the most obvious integration is follow along to live sports. Note, I loathe gambling generally and highly advocate against it, but Kick would do well to make literal automated streams for professional sports. With a deal with both a sports gambling outfit and a sport stats reporting group, it's literally just a Chat stream with stats going active on screen. Once the system is working well, it could dump watchers into the next event and they could keep gambling. There are Watch Alongs to a lot of live sporting events, and an integrated gambling system would rake in money for the platform. Which is also a collection of streamers you could get over there.

One of the biggest mistakes Twitch has always made, and YT makes as well, is the fact that a Streamer can be playing X or Y game and I can't instantly go over to buy it via a direct link somewhere on the page. Or some related product. Twitch is owned the biggest online retailer in the USA and I can't quickly go and buy anything related to what I'm watching, what the streamer is doing, using or playing on. It's like the whole Amazon Affiliate thing is lost on the morons. Or think what could happen with an integrated and semi-automatic Amazon Wishlist system. Someone might be able to buy Asmon a Roomba. TV shopping channels figured out ways to keep user buying friction low in the 90s, and "cutting edge technology companies" are complete morons at the task most of the time.

As for DMCA, realistically, as long as they're not hosting VODs of the stuff, the platform isn't actually at fault and has very minimal responsibilities beyond responding to a filed DMCA claim by the rights holder. The modern system of advanced detection systems is actually a YT thing and only because they came to some agreement with Viacom back in 2014. Note, they won the first 2(?) rounds of that case. I suspect they'll do something like Twitch's system, which is all post hoc anyway. The big one to watch out for, as a platform, is the ones that deserve the rope. They'll always flood into new places, either as real people or intelligence agencies up to no good.

TL;DR: Kick can survive if it chooses to. Might not be any popular vtubers there for a while, but who knows. It's a new space if some indie wants to build a new audience.



@Sankisei apparently Kingston's HyperX brand has an official Vtuber that streams on Wednesdays on Twitch. I was really confused about that as well. CCV around 50, but total views on the VOD over 1k. Not terrible for a once-per-week streamer.

Of course, they debuted her right after Cloud9 dropped their Vtubers, lol. I still don't quite get the idea of Vtuber that's part of an official brand, given they can't really grow an audience in the normal way. But, hey, someone in marketing probably wanted to get in on it.



One of the hilarious economics of Kick is that since they use Amazon IVS (eg. the Twitch tech that Amazon now sells to anyone), Amazon makes more money per connection from Kick paying full rate, than they do from Twitch expensing a presumably reduced internal rate. Add to that the Prime Sub loss leader and it's actually in Amazon's best financial interest to let Twitch collapse and let other services using IVS take over.

And Twitch higher ups have been acting really weird lately. It's a good thing to think about.

Lol, watch Amazon sell the livestreaming side of Twitch to Kick in 2 years for 1 dollar.



So, Kiara got perms to more GTA games.
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Well, Kiara is going to do numbers with those games.
 
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One of the hilarious economics of Kick is that since they use Amazon IVS (eg. the Twitch tech that Amazon now sells to anyone), Amazon makes more money per connection from Kick paying full rate, than they do from Twitch expensing a presumably reduced internal rate. Add to that the Prime Sub loss leader and it's actually in Amazon's best financial interest to let Twitch collapse and let other services using IVS take over.
 

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So, Kiara got perms to more GTA games.
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So the pools category is exacly the same as Twitches?
Literally called "Pools, Hot Tubs & Bikinis," should tell you everything you need to know
Iirc, it's because porn sites are banned in a lot of middle eastern countries but twitch isn't, so folks will go there to get their rage fap on.
Means nothing when VPNs are still a thing, also Vimeo
 

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Why are people so mad at Kick? I thought it was just some platform some streamers moved to after getting banned, what's the big deal? Why is Twitter so mad?

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Would there be an interest in a culture/business of streaming thread specifically focused on the goings on of the various streaming websites?

I anticipated it might be needed with Twitch actively self destructing, and Kick making the moves it is. Not only that, most of the convo will involve non-Vtubers. Lemme know.
 

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Gundou graduating, damn that is a blast from the past. I used to consume a few of her and Kanda clips many years back, I know most vtuber ships are mostly fake and for the "content" but that pair was pretty cute and seemed maybe a bit genuine on her part, I remember posting a few clips on the homeland of their two tsundere-asses. I remember even their co workers at Niji would ship shem and set them up on Minecraft dates.

I speculated how their dynamic could translate over if there was ever EN corpo vtubers.. litle did I know that HL and Niji EN ships seem to be all gay as fuck.







The only other things I know about her are that she is/was a teacher and a student did recognize her voice but kept the secret. The clip is now privated for whatever reason. Oh and also she has a fetish for being strangled and Kanda has a strangling fetish so.. enjoy the mental image~



Also this clip os her considering joining Hololive to sexually assau- err kiss the girls. Apparently she is bi(?)
 
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Charlemagne

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So, Kiara got perms to more GTA games.
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That better not be The Definitive Trilogy she's going to play SA on, that shit is still fucked up after all this time. And I'm talking gameplay affecting bullshit too, not just how the visuals got fucked over by the devs.



Seriously, IV probably the better game to play right now if so, even if you need to cap the framerate to stop cutscene zoom-ins; it's at least in a playable state.
 

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GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR

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MOD QUESTION
Would there be an interest in a culture/business of streaming thread specifically focused on the goings on of the various streaming websites?

I anticipated it might be needed with Twitch actively self destructing, and Kick making the moves it is. Not only that, most of the convo will involve non-Vtubers. Lemme know.
we already have a lot of dead threads its okay to just have it in general since nobodys gonna bring shit up after kick or twitch bullshit will be over
 

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MOD QUESTION
Would there be an interest in a culture/business of streaming thread specifically focused on the goings on of the various streaming websites?

I anticipated it might be needed with Twitch actively self destructing, and Kick making the moves it is. Not only that, most of the convo will involve non-Vtubers. Lemme know.
would it be a thread specific to the state of streaming websites or everything related to streaming?( example : big drama related to streamers that are not in any way related with vtuber )
 

PleaseCheckYourReceipts

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MOD QUESTION
Would there be an interest in a culture/business of streaming thread specifically focused on the goings on of the various streaming websites?

I anticipated it might be needed with Twitch actively self destructing, and Kick making the moves it is. Not only that, most of the convo will involve non-Vtubers. Lemme know.
I mean, if we want to do some Internet / Tech / Econ autism, sure. I find the stuff interesting and have watched many a platform rise and fall for most of the same reasons. (50% of it is the coke habits of the Execs, let's be real.)
 

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This vt comment encapsulates my thoughts on the whole Gundou situationView attachment 31446.
This thread made two years ago is a good qrd on her past antics. Not 100% justifying the hate towards her mind you, but she has always been a controversial figure within Nijisanji.
>The greentext
Immediately made me think of Always sunny, so i threw this together;


R.I.P Bozette, three strikes and your out seemingly applies in both baseball and Nijisanji
 

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MOD QUESTION
Would there be an interest in a culture/business of streaming thread specifically focused on the goings on of the various streaming websites?

I anticipated it might be needed with Twitch actively self destructing, and Kick making the moves it is. Not only that, most of the convo will involve non-Vtubers. Lemme know.

If it was factually-orientated and informative then yes, absolutely. There's a huge dearth of accessible and useful info when it comes to any of these sites out there.
 

Zinnaha

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Why are people so mad at Kick? I thought it was just some platform some streamers moved to after getting banned, what's the big deal? Why is Twitter so mad?
>Site Built on Crypto and Gambling
>Offering huge paychecks pulling in little to no money that can be IRS poached easily
>Promising 95/5 split without telling you the facts before hand (You're not getting it unless you're invited, i.e XQC/Scamouranth)
>Literally everyone who got banned from twitch or wants to run free without moderation is there
>Biggest talent is a sack of shit.
Lots of reason to dislike Kick just from a moral standpoint. If you're chasing after money more power to you. Every platform is shit, but Kick is built on a rocky foundation at best.
 

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That better not be The Definitive Trilogy she's going to play SA
Unless she has a copy lying around, it most likely would end up being. Kiara is receptive to feedback, though, so she might listen if someone said to get a different version. Though, you can't easily get another version, now...
 

reinigen

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we already have a lot of dead threads its okay to just have it in general since nobodys gonna bring shit up after kick or twitch bullshit will be over

would it be a thread specific to the state of streaming websites or everything related to streaming?( example : big drama related to streamers that are not in any way related with vtuber )

I mean, if we want to do some Internet / Tech / Econ autism, sure. I find the stuff interesting and have watched many a platform rise and fall for most of the same reasons. (50% of it is the coke habits of the Execs, let's be real.)

If it was factually-orientated and informative then yes, absolutely. There's a huge dearth of accessible and useful info when it comes to any of these sites out there.
Think of it this way. Remember a week and a half ago when that uproar occurred because of Twitch updating it's sponsored content rules, as well as their TOS? All of the conversation that spawned from that would be what I would intend to keep in that thread. I have no problem keeping that kinda discussion in the main thread, but it is largely non-vtuber focused, and most of the content creators who talk about that kinda stuff will continue to be non-vtuber (Ludwig, Critikal, Asmongold, etc).

I'm just floating the idea, don't really care either way. Just wanted to gauge interest.
 

Zinnaha

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Unless she has a copy lying around, it most likely would end up being. Kiara is receptive to feedback, though, so she might listen if someone said to get a different version. Though, you can't easily get another version, now...
Unless she gets a donated copy from someone (can't send gifts to talents) it'd be pretty hard for her to get any of the good versions of SA/VC. At best she may seek perms for mods/patch uses.
 

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The funniest thing, and the most thought provoking part of all this, is that no long after Axia graduation she said this during a zatsudan:

My personal rrat is that statement caused her termination and the baseball yab was a cover up. WHICH REMINDS ME, didn't Cover and Nijisanji release a joint statement about protecting their talents? :unsure:

How does your rrat work? The time-stamped statement was clearly Gundou's personal opinion and she wasn't even being aggressive, unless maybe some manager 2 weeks into the job took offense. I see I wasn't the only person to think of this clip though. It aged poorly.

Edit for more thoughts: Unlike Yugo's graduation notice, Gundou's notice has no allusion to a history of being difficult (which it seems even her fans would believe) or strange phrasing ("we have decided to have ___ graduate"). This is her decision, albeit one made under very obvious pressure. The graduation stream will probably be tightly scripted.
 
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