General Vtuber Discussion (V1)

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

all that shit

yea i mean she did say that she wants to leave impact on people earlier with the whole "wash your pipenis" speech. I dunno tho, the only people who openly and loudly preach that pippa changed their life for better are also the most autistic ones like Henri, id say that kinda sucks but aint pippa to know whats going on her head, maybe she sees that as something good. neither id really want to, shits moldy and messed up.

 

[Realticule]

Media doesn't have to be memorable so much as it needs impact that settles it somewhere as a relevant dot in the extremely broad and varied history of life as a whole. A piece of media that influences future works or people that may be remembered in its place is still impactful even if we don't remember its origin as easily as what it influence. It is why a common media trope with mentor characters is to die, but their teachings live on as the bittersweet ending to the story. That is part of having a legacy, is having those who come after you be influenced by you to later influence others. People create art to express something, to influence people positively or negatively, to tell their story so it can be remembered. Pippa in her existential dread is probably wondering if streaming could also do the same based on how she seems to be talking. The title of the work isn't as important as the ideas and memories it carries and creates with its efforts.

You and many others might not remember The Seven Samurai, the 50s Japanese movie, but you can find traces of its influence as a film throughout cinema and other media despite it being a foreign movie during a time when foreign films had little cultural impact outside of their place of origin. Older art from somewhere influenced other people to make their own art, so even if you don't care about it and the general public has forgotten it, it did matter. Jazz music and Elvis could be another example of this, as depending on who you ask Elvis' "rock and roll" was influenced by Jazz musicians. So even if those musicians aren't as remembered as Elvis, they do matter as influences for what would become his life's work. Elvis is a musical icon and his influences are also important to his work. The name is gone, but the idea lives on.

This is true with people as well. At some point in time we carry with us a lesson we learned from our parents or some other teacher in our life. That person has influenced us and whatever we carry from that influence is part of their impact on the world. It seems Pippa wants to do something similar with her streams to feel she has purpose in her life given how she seems to be feeling right now.

I don't disagree with any of that, but that's why I also think you can have clips and specific streams be that influence as opposed to all work created being that. I think Pippa has probably had way more influence on things than she or many of us think, mostly because she's very open and outspoken compared to most creators who sanitize their persona. A lot of the time, the best thing is to just be yourself and be true to your ideals, because when you start to worry so much about what kind of legacy you'll leave or if you can min-max what others get from you, you just end up being a weird shallow shell of yourself like H3 or Idubbbz.

 

[Lesbian Solid Snake]

Spoiler: Autism

I don't care about all of these (or even take them seriously) but here are some reasons people dislike 'em:
-It isn't even a real corpo, it's just a clique of friends pretending
-The talent goes from complete cunts: Vei, Nyanners, Unlikeable: Silvervale, Zen, Unremarkable: Froot, and finally actually likeable: Melody, Ironmouse
-They frequently collab with fleshtubers, anitubers and just regular normies that some people fucking hate
-Some of them (Hime) have really poor/literally non-existent opsec
-A lot of people are still salty at nyanners so anything she's involved with is instantly hated too
-Vei has badmouthed hololive in public and doubled down when confronted
-They specialize in raunchy, sexually charged content that is often targeted at coomers and other vermin, their humour can sometimes be incredibly superficial due to this; aka the whole "peepeepoopoo" thing
-Zentreya in general, him using a voicechanger and pretending to be a woman (which for some reads as borderline troonery) and his dramatic freakouts in twitter as well as his weird past actions which im not that well versed in
-Their whole "talent freedom" thing, which many equated as a jab at hololive and other proper corpos and which essentially means unrestrained autism, and them using it as a fucking slogan
-Some people's tribalism at them collabing with holo and niji
-The whole nux drama which showed many people how bitchy and backstab-y a lot of them can be
-Their kuiper belt of orbiters many of whom are other unlikeable indies who also specialize in degenerate content
-The fact that they are so popular with normies and are the first thing a lot of western newcomers see when finding out about vtubers, which reinforces the idea that the whole medium is just another kind of degenerate porn.
-And finally, just their general influence on the scene and their rise to fame (or infamy) which has influenced a lot of indies to be less proffesional and adopt their twitch-like culture

Give me my rrat ratings but I am personally of the belief that ironmouse has been over exaggerating her disease for years. Also the fact that she used to do the "I'm baby" schtick a lot even though she has a teenage daughter. Creeps me the fuck out.

 

[AyoTempus]

yea i mean she did say that she wants to leave impact on people earlier with the whole "wash your pipenis" speech. I dunno tho, the only people who openly and loudly preach that pippa changed their life for better are also the most autistic ones like Henri, id say that kinda sucks but aint pippa to know whats going on her head, maybe she sees that as something good. neither id really want to, shits moldy and messed up.

Speds like Henri are the most horrible type of people to "influence" and if anything work in the opposite of what someone who wants to leave an impact to want. Because someone who genuinely wants to leave an impact doesn't need your admiration, especially when you're admired for being "based" which has just become a label for "people I agree with" nowadays or some other shit that has no meaning. Only vein shallow people want that as their legacy, and I'd like to give Pippa the benefit of the doubt that this is not what she wants.

What I believe people want is to know that once that person has left with whatever they got from them, they take it and move forward in a positive direction. Henri can't move forward, by his own spergy fanaticism he is tied to Pippa and that kind of obsession is not fun to live with. The fact he talked about unironically following that suicide pact is the worst type of thing you can say. The point of a legacy is when you leave this world, people still remember you. Not fucking off themselves minutes later.

Henri is a fucking Stan, and Stans are the worst type of fans.

I don't disagree with any of that, but that's why I also think you can have clips and specific streams be that influence as opposed to all work created being that. I think Pippa has probably had way more influence on things than she or many of us think, mostly because she's very open and outspoken compared to most creators who sanitize their persona. A lot of the time, the best thing is to just be yourself and be true to your ideals, because when you start to worry so much about what kind of legacy you'll leave or if you can min-max what others get from you, you just end up being a weird shallow shell of yourself like H3 or Idubbbz.

I don't think these are mutually exclusive ideas. Part of forming your own message and what you want to express to the world comes from changing your mind and being open to things being able to do that. Some aspects of yourself are worth reconsidering and asking if that is truly what you want to be? Caring about one's legacy can have a positive effect on you to some extent, as it gives you a signal to look within and see where you are at fault, what holds you back, what can keep you from reaching your potential. If Pippa can do that kind of soul searching right now in her current mindset is extremely arguable, but it can be worthwhile to ask yourself "What do I want to do in this world?" or something to that effect. If you're being honest enough with yourself it helps you mold yourself to what can be roughly defined as "Your most perfect self", not a perfect person, but the best version of you which is all we ever can be.

Clout farming retards like H3 and Idubbbz don't give a shit about legacy, I doubt they even thought about it, they just want attention and public encouragement which isn't the same thing. They are the e-thot who has no impact on anything. H3 puts me to sleep with how boring he is to listen to regardless of what he actually says, and Idubbbz is a cuck that became what he criticized in the end. They are too focused in the now, not the future. They lack drive and passion to try and speak to anyone on any real level enough to leave something behind. It is just pre-canned crap that means nothing moments after you eat it. I'd argue that the constant focus on the now is most people nowadays for better and for worse, especially on the internet which feels like it warps people's perceptions of things and nowadays I don't think many people until they're in their 50s or something give a fuck about legacy or even get the idea. I remember someone could not understand the idea when a piece of media put it right in front of them in plain fucking English, they literally couldn't see it despite it staring them right in the face as they only focused on the present. Even when I explained it in more exact terms, they couldn't see it.

Terminally online people live in the now almost exclusively, the future is just a means to plan how to get more attention then they have now.

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

I don't really watch Pippa, but from what little I've seen, while she isn't really for me, she does have genuine wit to her, and her content is a welcome change from the neverending wall of games + karaoke + coomerbait. Her popularity isn't an accident. She actually does have something unique to offer, which is not all that common anymore, if it ever was.

For someone who doesn't know anything about Vshojo, what's so bad about them?

Honestly, the only genuinely objectionable part is them opening up auditions only for nothing to ever come of it while accepting 'celebrity' vtubers in an instant. Whoever is responsible for that is best described as dicks.

The actual members I can't say I have a problem with (unless they're co-responsible for the above, which would rather lower my opinion on them). Supposedly a lot of coomer content, but they're not exactly unique in that regard. I do like Melody, can't say I've seen meaningful amounts of content from the rest.

Yeah, Veibae has said stupid shit and then doubled down on it, Nyanners occasionally changes her opinions as she ages. I've done these things, too, so whatever.

 

[Realticule]

Clout farming retards like H3 and Idubbbz don't give a shit about legacy, I doubt they even thought about it, they just want attention and public encouragement which isn't the same thing. They are the e-thot who has no impact on anything. H3 puts me to sleep with how boring he is to listen to regardless of what he actually says, and Idubbbz is a cuck that became what he criticized in the end.

This is the part I disagree with the most. I don't think the they're just clout farming, I think they hit a point where they didn't want to just be known as the guys who said spicy words but didn't have the capability to grow into the person that they wanted to be. A great counter example is Joji, the guy is unrecognizable from his old content, but he doesn't seem to hold any resentment for who he was, probably because he had the ability to actually be what he wanted to, while Idubbbz and H3 can't, as they probably don't just have that self introspection despite having a desire for a better legacy. That's probably why they rail against their old persona, they think it's the edge that keeps them back, when really it's all they ever had and now they have to face that element of themselves.

I've seen it with countless creators and streamers in a lot of spaces, many of who started out in the same way, and the difference is always if they can manage to actually grow or not. It's not unique to this space but it's pretty much the reality for every creator as most eventually branch out or just wallow. And I get a lot of people like Pippa because she's edgy but I don't think the edgy part is the only draw, as at least for me the most interesting parts are when the stream shifts to that existential discussion, it's not something you often see. It's also something that presents itself during interviews as she's pretty good about getting people to talk more candidly.

I fully get the fear, of any creator who wonders if the one goofy aspect of them will be all that there is to them, but I don't think it's curable artificially like the previously mentioned have tried to do, as well as many others, rather I think it's more about not being pretentious and letting your better aspects shine through over time without forcing them. Though I'm just a retard on the Internet, so what do I know.

 

[AO Cody]

Amepasta

 

[paul]

@NolanCrush

They know what they are doing

 

[Crush]

-The talent goes from complete cunts: Vei, Nyanners, Unlikeable: Silvervale, Zen, Unremarkable: Froot, and finally actually likeable: Melody, Ironmouse
-They frequently collab with fleshtubers, anitubers and just regular normies that some people fucking hate
-Some of them (Hime) have really poor/literally non-existent opsec

1. Based Melody enjoyer.
2. I don't really care if they collab with people I dislike. I enjoyed Kiara and Nyanners collab and I hate Nyanners. I can still have a good time watching as long as they are entertaining together.
3. I don't see how this is a negative. Almost none of them have opsec and I honestly like being able to know more about people I like, I think it's a positive. Gives me a better understanding of who I'm watching. The problem is...half these people are not likable. It's great that I can know the history and reason why Nynnaers is the way she is today, too bad "the way she is today" is a fucking asshole. The issue with Hime is she literally never streams, she hasn't been live for 2 months, I can't form an opinion on someone who doesn't do anything.

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

tied

except he aint even that, as soon as pippa does something he doesnt like, hes discarding her while pissing and shitting himself for the universe has betrayed him again and his oshi turned out to be a whore, again. Happened to him with kson and almost happened with pippa at some point. While i did say people like henri like to yell about how pippa "saved" them, i didnt say they are actually changing at all, because they aint and never will.

 

[Kourai]

Some degen in the wAIfu thread posted a mega upload link to 158 sub 10 or 5 sec snippets of Yabairys out of context with coomer titles I knew there was a reason for calling her that but Jesus woman some of these are REALLY bad out of context

Edit: oh shit that's just one folder there is so much more than I thought Jesus Christ the coomer grindset no knows no bounds apparently

Spoiler: Mega link

2.26 GB folder on MEGA

956 files and 32 subfolders

mega.nz

Meanwhile Madlass Kaela kills warden by smacking it with a fish

Never enough quotes for you, huh? Thanks to you and everyone working on that, by the way.

Another preYdator (Owl x Rrat) cover song coming in a couple hours:

new Moom and Rat cover. QUEEN TIME

Since Bae and Mumei have a self-declared unit name I had high expectations. By that, I mean I've been spoiled by some of the other Holo duet covers (Calli/Gura King, Laplus/Sakamata Day by Days) where you can tell a duet means more than deciding who sings which lines. That's missing here. I still like it.

I haven't watched any of their afterparty streams. Did they ever say how they chose preYdator as the name?

I was thinking about this the other day if any company has tried to do this. From what I've seen corpo chuubas all have a back story and mythos so why not use that lore and create an official manga or comic? I wouldn't think it be too expensive with how exploited mangakas and animators are in Japan to my understanding.

The short answer is yes: Nijisanji has produced manga like Samba Carnival and also has the Lie:Verse Liars project. More info on the latter and other Niji projects in Een Gevolg's post under the spoiler.

Spoiler

MoguLive had an interview with Nijisanji's general producer almost a week ago; it's a bit long, but I'd honestly say it's an interesting read even with a fucky machine translation, since it kinda showcases what their current aims are.

I put it through DeepL and cleaned it up a bit so that it's a bit more readable, but I'd need to quadruplepost to put it on here due to the 10k character limit. Here's a link to it; if you know any better alternatives for non-coding text hosting, please do tell me, because the other one I tried complained about me using adblock, and then immediately downloaded an extremely fucking sketchy zip.

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TL;DR:

• the overall theme of the article is that Anycolor wants to expand their Vtubers into other entertainment branches such as music and manga, possibly attracting people that may not follow Youtube as extensively
• multiple mentions throughout the article that the company must continue to invent and try new things, otherwise they risk failure ("If we do not take on new challenges, we will all fall together. That is not only for us as a company, but also for each and every one of our Livers, crushing their potential.")
• the aim for the musical sub-units (Nornis, ROF-MAO, etc.) is to help them stand on their own and be recognized as their own thing, rather than just Nijisanji Vtubers
• anyone who wants to be an idol will get all the help possible, but they don't want to force the label on those who don't already identify as that
• Lie:Verse Liars (Nijisanji/Kadokawa/Balcolony multimedia project where a bunch of Niji's Vtubers "play" characters similar to themselves in a manga and light novel) came from the concept that, as Vtubers are simultaneously a character and an existing person, only Vtubers are able to make full-fledged "acting appearances" in such media, with an additional goal of a multimedia project they can both develop and manage in-house
• they're happy with how Nijisanji Koshien went; they hope it becomes a summer tradition (not a far-off wish; as far as I can gather, Gaki no Tsukai's 24-hour No Laughing Batsu was sort of a New Year tradition for a long time), and apparently it was also advertised/promoted on Google/Android TV
• along with Nijifes and Fantasia, they also ran a pre-Nijifes DJ event in Akihabara
• starting with Nijifes, they are working both on further overseas Vtuber appearances in events, and on expansion of overseas activities

TLTL;DR;DR
Expect more overseas activities and more projects in other entertainment branches

These manga projects have different aims, if I understand correctly. Samba Carnival and the HoloX manga are for people who are fans of the Vtubers and want to enjoy something done with their lore, while Lie:Verse Liars is meant to pull manga readers into watching Vtubers.

For someone who doesn't know anything about Vshojo, what's so bad about them?

I'll point to the Nux drama. Unlikeable people and "bad influences" are one thing, but the Nux drama started with them doing everything objectively wrong.

Spoiler: Recap, corrections welcome

- A malicious party impersonated VShojo and sent fake acceptance emails in order to EN Vtubers' personal information.
- This can happen to any company. However, any other company would put up a warning or a notice about official communication channels. VShojo did jack.
- Nux broke the news with a video. (His motives for doing so do not matter at this point.)
- VShojo attacked Nux and said that he was compromising their safety as the malicious party was attempting to do... something to them. (Even if that was true, what about the safety of the Vtubers who fell for the fake emails?)
- At this point the story devolves into Nux firing back that VShojo managers said he could make the video, etc etc.

This is also why I have misgivings when Kson said one of the benefits of joining them was legal help if she needed it. Not that Cover was any help when she was with them, but "legal" is the one area where VShojo has demonstrably screwed up in the past.

Unto something more positive and someone more pleasant

Miori is doing a yandere karaoke rn

Singing Day by Days solo and live is no mean feat.

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

To simplify this whole autism, the average e-thot has little to no impact on the world even if they are materially successful, while a personality that influences people in ways that linger with them for life has impact in some way. Pippa wants to be the latter, likely because she feels her life is pointless if she doesn't make an impact on the world.

I feel like that's a thing that a lot of people struggle with in this day and age. The whole quest to find some meaning behind what you're doing with your life, and do something that actually mattered in the end, y'know?

I swear to Christ I've been writing up whole posts, then deleting them, then trying again to word this without being a gigantic retard for two hours.

Being constantly bombarded by trash media and information from every possible avenue in daily life really fucking numbs you to all of this. Yeah, of course, there was always trash art or music, in every period of history, but there wasn't a marketing team specifically working at all times to force it on you when you're just trying mind your business. Almost everything is made to be discarded and forgotten about in a year, the amount of people your creation has positively affected is completely meaningless if it's not making money.

It's also hard to think about meaning and legacy when you're stuck at work for 8-12 hours a day, living as a rentie, barely paying the bills, with inflation going through the roof, rent prices going up, utilities going up, and all of that piling up on your head. Quite literally can't afford to live in any time but right now.

I'm not saying that there's no meaning left in the world, or that it's all pointless and that there's no valuable legacy you can leave, it's just that finding that meaning and purpose is infinitely harder in the internet age, because we live in a society is designed to stop you from doing and achieving just that. My Grandfather survived two wars, and built a house that he left for us, but here I am, in a country that's quite literally dying off, in a tiny apartment in a city that is built for tourists instead of the people who live here, using a magical box that can access the sum knowledge of the human race, to talk about 2.5D anime girls.

But yeah in the end, I think Pippa did leave an impression on me that I'll always remember. Her saying "I've never had a real job, chat, I just always wanted to be a content creator, and if I couldn't do that I'd kill myself" did get me thinking and changed my perspective on some things.

Or I'm just extremely autistic and have too much time to think. I don't remember even having the time or energy to think about 3deep5me shit like that when I was a wagie. Anyways, it's 10AM and I'm going to bed, have a song for this feel.

 

[Een Gevolg]

Massive 96-person Nijisanji tournament for Splatoon 3 currently starting. Perspectives for both of the EN teams:

These manga projects have different aims, if I understand correctly. Samba Carnival and the HoloX manga are for people who are fans of the Vtubers and want to enjoy something done with their lore, while Lie:Verse Liars is meant to pull manga readers into watching Vtubers.

That seems like their gameplan with the manga, yeah.

We are a content manufacturer, but before that, we are a management office. Therefore, from our point of view, it is important to think about how to get a variety of people to see our Livers.

For example, as a way of approaching the manga-reading audience, we have been developing manga such as "Nijisanji Gakuen" and "Samba Carnival" but I think this was "content to make existing fans enjoy Nijisanji more", rather than "to increase the number of new fans". On the other hand, this project is based on the idea that "in order for new people to get to know us, we have to create new works". So, our thinking is based on the question, "How can we expand our Livers?" Our goal is not just to "expand our IP," and I think that is a big difference from other multimedia projects.

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

This is the part I disagree with the most. I don't think the they're just clout farming, I think they hit a point where they didn't want to just be known as the guys who said spicy words but didn't have the capability to grow into the person that they wanted to be.

contrary my man, the cuck is exactly the person he wanted to be, for a short while tho. What was he doing ten years ago? Making content cop on leafy and ricegum, unboxing and trash kickstarters. What did he try to do now? Make content cop on Sam Hyde, and get his shit beat and i dont think he did anything else? Times have changed, targets are now better at telling ian to fuck off, either by outsmarting him or beating the shit out of him. He cant punch up anymore and now hes stuck in a kiddie pool with his whore wife and ricegum to beef with, who noone really cares about for how long now.
Joji can adapt, idubbbz cant.

 

[kushami tasukaru]

Hiyocro's 3D showcase starting from Suzumi Nemo


The order will be Suzumi Nemo, Ieiri Popo, Kohaku Yuri, Shisui Kiki, Akane Canna, and finally Touri Sei. Looking forward to Sei since she plays the piano/keyboard herself when doing singing streams.

 

[BlueSharkTV]

And this in 12 hours

Got pushed back due to shark emergency apparently

 

[angry sushi]

Gura's cat probably ate a wire and got zapped

 

[Azehara]

You know what? I'm just gonna say it.
If she ever decided to go with Vshitshow, I'd still follow her.

For all its worth they are barely a company despite getting millions in funding from investors.

For someone who doesn't know anything about Vshojo, what's so bad about them?

The only negative thing about them that matters to me is how worthless they are as a company. The whole Nux drama was like a massive spotlight that highlighted it. Not only do they open auditions with no interest in actually doing anything with it (its basically them confidence boosting themselves like people that join dating sites to see how many likes they get) but they know that someone is impersonating them for 8 months and they decide not to even put out a general warning to the public. Then you see how one second they go praising Nux to then shitting and throwing him under the bus in the court of public opinion. Its amazing to be honest.

I just use:

--merge-output-format mp4

It'll download the highest quality files (as per the default) and then, as a second step, convert them to mp4 if they're not already.

Thanks

@NolanCrush

They know what they are doing
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Pippa should go back to her Pony critique days and rate these. I dont care about MLP but I did find the MLP stream funny as hell.

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I missed Gen 2's Karaoke. Holy fuck the wolf killed it. Great song selection with Tsubasa wa Pleasure Line and ending with the low voice Fukai Mori. Wish they would sing more as it was pure perfection.

 

[Watamate]

And there we go. First signs of them potentially doing something post GGN Live. This is their first post after 6 months of silence.

 

[kushami tasukaru]

Some great character creation from the Soul Calibur 6 players during Miko's stream.

Not shown is Touhou's Toramaru Shou completely destroying Miko. Her choosing Yoshimitsu's moveset ends up hilarious with the elite victory pose.

MaiR fourth anniversary live in an hour. Remember this will be privated after the show ends and reuploaded later.


Looks like Akuma Saki's graduation stream is now on 9PM JST so will coincide with Tsukushi Aria's birthday live.

Edit:
Not sure why the other Axel-V member Suimitsu Momo's graduation stream is the exact same time as Saki's

Spoiler: Axel-V Graduation Streams

They are now calling each other and it's an impromptu graduation collab stream.