General Thread v5 Guys: MariMari_EN Edition

[Kanna's Glowiest Assistant]

It's not so much chauvinism, but more a combination of censorship laws and India having a pretty sizable local entertainment industry early on which limited penetration of anime until very recently. Consequently there isn't much of a market for anime-adjacent things in India, relative to its size.

Where Euros, LatAms and other Asians were already watching anime broadcasted by local networks in the 1970s and 80s, Indians didn't really have the same experience. India generally was pretty closed off economically until the 1990s (you can look up the License Raj) and they're really only getting their fill of anime now with streaming services.

In a way, it's similar factors at play with why US interest in anime is relatively recent compared to other countries. The US already had a sizable animation industry of its own and the TV networks had no real incentive to show anime, so it stayed niche until the latter half of the 1990s - early 2000s. TV stations in other countries gravitated toward Japanese animation early on principally because the rights were cheap compared to American animation (this is how Berlusconi's TV network made France the most weeb country in Europe), or political reasons made it unacceptable to show American cartoons (this is why MENA has a surprising number of weebs).

As for why young Indians aren't taking to anime and VTubing in droves, I suspect it's mostly just the network effect in action - they didn't grow up with dads and uncles who watched Gundam or peers who talked about Naruto and DBZ, plus Bollywood always cranks out new stuff, so they don't have much reason to venture out into an alien form of entertainment.

Small corrections, the first anime imports in France arrived during the 1970s on public TV, and the 80s/90s boom didn't centre on Berlusconi's short stint on the French TV landscape but on the Club Dorothée, a kids block that ran on TF1, a channel the government privatised to the Bouygues construction/telecom/media mogul family.
The idea of local media industries and licensing barriers being so strong that Japanese imports can't even get their foot in is interesting given that the same thing is true here: In 2024 France was the only (edit) developed Western country in which domestic films earned more than American ones at the box office, and the hoops US producers need to jump and local filming they are forced to pay for to exhibit their works here are basically unmatched, the goverment is incredibly protectionistic about culture. And still, like you said we're the #1 importer of manga and anime.
Edit: Apparently Japanese films have also led their domestic box office since the 2010s, mostly thanks to animation

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[Kazuma]

Mint is playing Voices of the Void

 

[Cubanodun]

Small corrections, the first anime imports in France arrived during the 1970s on public TV, and the 80s/90s boom didn't centre on Berlusconi's short stint on the French TV landscape but on the Club Dorothée, a kids block that ran on TF1, a channel the government privatised to the Bouygues construction/telecom/media mogul family.
The idea of local media industries and licensing barriers being so strong that Japanese imports can't even get their foot in is interesting given that the same thing is true here: In 2024 France was the only (edit) developed Western country in which domestic films earned more than American ones at the box office, and the hoops US producers need to jump and local filming they are forced to pay for to exhibit their works here are basically unmatched, the goverment is incredibly protectionistic about culture. And still, like you said we're the #1 importer of manga and anime.
Edit: Apparently Japanese films have also led their domestic box office since the 2010s, mostly thanks to animation
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This is also the reason why Japan get frenchies animators for their studios and even do projects like Oban star racer and Lupin III

 

[Horo7618]

The US already had a sizable animation industry of its own and the TV networks had no real incentive to show anime, so it stayed niche until the latter half of the 1990s - early 2000s. TV stations in other countries gravitated toward Japanese animation early on principally because the rights were cheap compared to American animation (this is how Berlusconi's TV network made France the most weeb country in Europe), or political reasons made it unacceptable to show American cartoons (this is why MENA has a surprising number of weebs).

That was kind of region-dependent though. In the northeast we were watching a bunch of localized anime back in the early 80s. Stuff like Star Blazers (Space Battleship Yamato), Battle of the Planets (Gatchaman) etc. was pretty popular, but we were getting it on a regional kids channel not a major network, and not every place had access to it. Also it wasn't ever really mentioned as anime, just cartoons.....

 

[httn]

 

[Kanna's Glowiest Assistant]

This is also the reason why Japan get frenchies animators for their studios and even do projects like Oban star racer and Lupin III

Co-productions go as back as far Once Upon a Time... Man (1978), Ulysses 31 (1981) and The Mysterious Cities of Gold (1982).
Lupin III is actually an example of quite the opposite: Monkey Punch, cheeky bastard that he was, never asked for permission to Maurice Leblanc's heirs for the Arsène Lupin name, much less paid them a cent, so Lupin III was straight-up unlicenseable here. Eventually they reached a gentlemen's agreement by which Lupin III, Castle of Cagliostro, etc. would be imported... with his name changed to Edgar de la Cambriole. Lupin III wouldn't be called that in France until his grandfather entered the public domain in 2012.

 

[God's Strongest Mozumite]

You can lead a horse to water, and now you can make it fish! Tomoe Umari is playing the ULTIMATE fishing simulator... Ultimate Fishing simulator.

 

[Koronesuki]

Co-productions go as back as far Once Upon a Time... Man (1978), Ulysses 31 (1981) and The Mysterious Cities of Gold (1982).
Lupin III is actually an example of quite the opposite: Monkey Punch, cheeky bastard that he was, never asked for permission to Maurice Leblanc's heirs for the Arsène Lupin name, much less paid them a cent, so Lupin III was straight-up unlicenseable here. Eventually they reached a gentlemen's agreement by which Lupin III, Castle of Cagliostro, etc. would be imported... with his name changed to Edgar de la Cambriole. Lupin III wouldn't be called that in France until his grandfather entered the public domain in 2012.

There's something almost poetic about Monkey Punch stealing the Lupin name. I'm not saying I approve, just that it seems appropriate. Character reflects creator I suppose.

I remember watching Ulysses 31 and The Mysterious Cities of Gold back in the day. I don't think I learned that they were Japanese/French co-productions until later. Oban Star-Racers I knew was a co-production when I watched it. The art style is a bit different from standard Japanese anime. That probably would have been a tip-off even if I hadn't noticed all the French names in the credits.

 

[BlueSharkTV]

Kronii Karaoke today.

 

[Scoots]

The thing is Yena has actually played it pretty cool in character. Zero Pride month posts in her Twitter, for example, and Poma Pon is the Brave Group hyena vtuber who's ended up running with the dick jokes. She definitely has had "transbians" flock to her audience, but she doesn't particularly cater to them. She's even pushed back on stream about being made into some kind of butch lesbian icon because she's bi IRL.

Good on the Yeen I love when our understandable concerns turn out to be wrong

nTV is shilling their talents in fun ways here's the first two


I'll post Eri and Delia when they happen

 

[JusticeDog]

Jeff gameplay (maybe)

 

[verxis]

Jeff gameplay (maybe)

Jikes.

 

[RestlessRain]

Me: This month is Men's Mental Health Awareness Month and Bride Month, I wonder if there's anything related to vtubing:

June:

Infertility Awareness Month

 

[Azehara]

Another ex-corpo chuuba moaning and groaning seemingly about this same situation... anyone know if Blaise was friends with Twisty?

Random girl calls her audience trannys and kids who don't have money (she aint wrong). Random Vtuber who followed her most affected.

 

[Kazuma]

Kronii doing an unarchived karaoke

 

[JusticeDog]

 

[Scoots]

Might be late but it's worth it too funny not to post

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

Behold this Pro Gamer's mad skillz one shotting the final boss:

 

[kushami tasukaru]

Ebosi will be singing at 8PM JST.


Re:AcT's Layla Sama will be singing at 10PM JST.

Her usual Friday night timeslot.

VSpo's Kaga Sumire on her latest E-sports Succubus nickname.


First Stage Pro JP's 5th gen "Sorabin" debuting on 20-21 June. Video description has the list of new members and their channels.

At the same time they killed off their 3rd gen as the last remaining member currently on hiatus Endoluphy will redebut in the new 5th gen (21 June).

 

[46gumi]

Kizuna AI announces her 9th birthday live which is happening on the 30th of this month. I do wonder whether it'll be a solo live or she'll have guests.