General Thread v3: The Hexagone

[mismatch]

Hopefully she has found something better than 2 year old Soju this time.

4 month old White Claw. guess not.

 

[Nenélove]

LegalCockroach is going to be streaming about it too, so expect more seething tourists.

The more I read the more I see tons of people coming out to say that this whole ordeal is because of the new november legislation and their corpos are rushing to correct this kind of thing to not get sanctioned. The "Cover was made into an example" theory I have only grows stronger.

So story so far: Cover got a nothingburger warning over payment delays that happened and were fixed over a year ago in relation to totally new legislation that isn't even in effect yet, but nijisisters trying to portray it as a fucking convicted felony.

>> has also instructed 29 businesses not to repeat the failure to pay
I wonder if there is certain another vtubing copro on that list...

You are totally correct and I hate it.

 

[MerelyTourist]

So story so far: Cover got a nothingburger warning over payment delays that happened and were fixed over a year ago in relation to totally new legislation that isn't even in effect yet, but nijisisters trying to portray it as a fucking convicted felony.

>> has also instructed 29 businesses not to repeat the failure to pay
I wonder if there is certain another vtubing copro on that list...

 

[El Rrata]

Do not Google "F1 Yaoi". Spoilers: it is real.

 

[Continuous Retardation]

If you were ever paying attention, you'd know Silvervale was one of her oldest friends from back when she was Sachiowo.

Only the realest of niggas know the old Mikeyposting lore.

 

[TKN_Lurker]

It really is convenient that the Nijisisters completely forgot that Nijisanji not too long ago also got exposed for mistyped contracts, misspelling of names for the creators that worked with them, and noted cases of resending the same contract/document with the egregious errors remaining unchanged.

It's almost like they only care when it doesn't happen to them.

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

It really is convenient that the Nijisisters completely forgot that Nijisanji not too long ago also got exposed for mistyped contracts, misspelling of names for the creators that worked with them, and noted cases of resending the same contract/document with the egregious errors remaining unchanged.

It's almost like they only care when it doesn't happen to them.

Niji doesn't rape their contractors.
Their contractors rape the Nijis.

 

[Nigel Nigerman]

The fact that the contractors were all already properly compensated by the time this report came out goes a long way, too. They even had some contractors come out to defend them saying other companies are way worse about it than they were. Ina's passport fuck up is probably a bigger PR hit than this was in terms of losing good will.

No no, listen to me, YAGOO threatened all their artists to make a tweet supporting Hololive or else he'll personally graduate their "children" from life. Why did you think Aqua and Ame left? They couldn't risk their Mama getting used like that. This is all true, I read it in a /vt/ thread once. Trust me brah.

Chumpedos are seething because gwar gura got apparently removed from the thumbnail for the eurobeat thingy.


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Nolan typing in ChatGPT about this absurdity. No LMAOs for this one, this is serious retarded business.

The more I read the more I see tons of people coming out to say that this whole ordeal is because of the new november legislation and their corpos are rushing to correct this kind of thing to not get sanctioned. The "Cover was made into an example" theory I have only grows stronger.

You are totally correct and I hate it.

As they say, even a broken cuck is right twice a day.

Nijisisters on the other hand, they just refuse to be wrong.

Do not Google "F1 Yaoi". Spoilers: it is real.

I love Gigi but I hate that she's a terminal fujo. Entertaining AF but will sometimes give you that brain damage with her fujoisms.

Niji doesn't rape their contractors.
Their contractors rape the Nijis.

"It's not rape if they're drugged out of their minds."
- YAB, probably.

 

[John Vtuber👁️]

Regardless of the new model, Ushio Ebi is still Ushio Ebi, and that's a good thing:



...I've been watching her Warframe vods these past several weeks while getting back into the Warframe addiction myself, please send help

 

[closedblas]

You are totally correct and I hate it.

>> has also instructed 29 businesses not to repeat the failure to pay
I wonder if there is certain another vtubing copro on that list...

mistranslation, it's talking about Cover delaying payment to 29 businesses for redoing videos.
"Interest for delayed payment" is old law when it comes to B2B.
"new law" part is applying it to freelancers/contractors.

 

[Bronze]

Yuu and Pico are checking live cameras inTokyo for Halloween related stuff

 

[Nenélove]

mistranslation, it's talking about Cover delaying payment to 29 businesses for redoing videos.
"Interest for delayed payment" is old law when it comes to B2B.
"new law" part is applying it to freelancers/contractors.

Do artists count as "businesses"? Do they fall under the old law?

 

[closedblas]

Do artists count as "businesses"? Do they fall under the old law?

if they form LLCs, yeah
edit: setting up GK/YK/LLCs are not as cheap or tax advantaged as forming LLCs in the US.

 

[White Stone]

New addition to Dooby's followers, now Gigi's PL is following her.

Interesting fact. Gigi's PL seems to be the most "isolated" PL among all of HoloEN PLs. No PL is following her and she didn't follow any PL until now. I wonder if any of the HoloEN girls even know who she is before joining V4Mirai and Hololive.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

So story so far: Cover got a nothingburger warning over payment delays that happened and were fixed over a year ago in relation to totally new legislation that isn't even in effect yet, but nijisisters trying to portray it as a fucking convicted felony.

>> has also instructed 29 businesses not to repeat the failure to pay
I wonder if there is certain another vtubing copro on that list...

You know sisters are reaching hard when even the forum's punching bag is able to succintly tell when they're being extremely retarded

Anyways, this is just going to make me laugh harder when the next inevitable NijiL rolls by

 

[Kazuma]

Kanade playing GTA V

 

[the red road]

So anyone remember years ago when Gura called Ame Rebecca that's actually her real name

 

[frz]

So story so far: Cover got a nothingburger warning over payment delays that happened and were fixed over a year ago in relation to totally new legislation that isn't even in effect yet, but nijisisters trying to portray it as a fucking convicted felony.

>> has also instructed 29 businesses not to repeat the failure to pay
I wonder if there is certain another vtubing copro on that list...

The biggest takeaway for me was that google translate / chatGPT are still not anywhere close to replacing human translators. They were supposed to do well with written legal work and struggle with informal, unstructured speeches. But turns out it fucks up written legal shit too as its vocabulary is atrocious and doesn't train based on Japanese legal system, which to be fair, legal jargon are complicated, regardless of the language.

The entire saga came from people reading google translate/chatGPT that barely even understand the thing to downright mistranslation. And no actual japanese bother translating the thing because they don't really care. And it just turned into EOP arguing with each others on the internet based on poorly translated articles.

Example:

Spoiler: Case Number 1 translated by chatgpt

On April 8, 2022, Cover placed an order with a subcontractor for the creation of a 2D model for video use, and after receiving delivery on the 18th of the same month, required seven rounds of rework free of charge by September 15, 2022, even though the need for such rework was not evident from the specifications outlined in the order documents.

Out of these seven rounds of rework, three were requested after the inspection period, which had been set as within seven business days following the delivery.

Two of these three rounds of rework were made after July 11, 2022, which was the date on which Cover notified the subcontractor that the "production was complete." The reason for these additional rework requests was that a VTuber who used the 2D model requested changes.

Furthermore, Cover neglected to handle the accounting processes in a timely manner, and the subcontractor’s payment for the order was only made on December 27, 2023—619 days after the delivery date of April 18, 2022.

ChatGPT completely fucked up the legal term of "payment was sent" used in the article into and translate it into "delivery".
The proper timeline would be Hololive contacted A for a model on April 8, paid the entire thing upfront on April 18. Live2D riggers operates by money first, because it's a fuck ton of money and it's very easy to scam. But the other end does happen and we have had some notorious scammers posed as riggers recently.

No actual breathing artist would let their work go unpaid for 2 entire years, they would kick up a storm on twitter. IdolEN's artists didn't even last 1 month without pay. A very important context was missing because people don't know japanese and chatgpt was just talking bullshit out of their ass.

What likely happened is, in my opinion, the amount of money they charged for the revisions was either not a lot and the artists just.... forget it, or they in some cases they just don't even know they were owed the money. Particularly the late payment charge started counting from the day of the initial upfront payment, instead of the day the final revisions was done/accepted.

Tl;dr: AI shouldn't be trusted with anything important.

Who actually fucking believed Cover didn't pay the artists for the work? The news clearly said that what wasn't paid were REVISIONS after the fact. I thought this was widely understood?

More people than you'd think. Falseflagger/nijisisters/homo-antis have been spamming "Hololive black company doesn't pay artists" for 2 days now.
You don't even need to go outside of VTA to see one
Also one of the main argument I observed was whether hololive paid the revisions on that december 27, 2023 date or not and even I'm not sure because I don't claim to be a japanese speaker, but that was more /vt/ where actual discussions happened, twitter is "just black company no pay lalalala"

How have they been doing it for two days if the notice only dropped a day ago?

Ehem excuse me SEA timezone

 

[Nenélove]

The biggest takeaway for me was that google translate / chatGPT are still not anywhere close to replacing human translators. They were supposed to do well with written legal work and struggle with informal, unstructured speeches. But turns out it fucks up written legal shit too as its vocabulary is atrocious and doesn't train based on Japanese legal system, which to be fair, legal jargon are complicated, regardless of the language.

The entire saga came from people reading google translate/chatGPT that barely even understand the thing to downright mistranslation. And no actual japanese bother translating the thing because they don't really care. And it just turned into EOP arguing with each others on the internet based on poorly translated articles.

Example:

Spoiler: Case Number 1 translated by chatgpt

ChatGPT completely fucked up the legal term of "payment was sent" used in the article into and translate it into "delivery".
The proper timeline would be Hololive contacted A for a model on April 8, paid the entire thing upfront on April 18. Live2D riggers operates by money first, because it's a fuck ton of money and it's very easy to scam. But the other end does happen and we have had some notorious scammers posed as riggers recently.

No actual breathing artist would let their work go unpaid for 2 entire years, they would kick up a storm on twitter. IdolEN's artists didn't even last 1 month without pay. A very important context was missing because people don't know japanese and chatgpt was just talking bullshit out of their ass.

What likely happened is, in my opinion, the amount of money they charged for the revisions was either not a lot and the artists just.... forget it, or they in some cases they just don't even know they were owed the money. Particularly the late payment charge started counting from the day of the initial upfront payment, instead of the day the final revisions was done/accepted.

Tl;dr: AI shouldn't be trusted with anything important.

Who actually fucking believed Cover didn't pay the artists for the work? The news clearly said that what wasn't paid were REVISIONS after the fact. I thought this was widely understood?

More people than you'd think. Falseflagger/nijisisters/homo-antis have been spamming "Hololive black company doesn't pay artists" for 2 days now.

How have they been doing it for two days if the notice only dropped a day ago?

 

[mismatch]

So anyone remember years ago when Gura called Ame Rebecca that's actually her real name

Well it was direct retaliation for this moment, after all. The 5 seconds of dead air after Ame dropped this was pretty loud, lol: