General Thread v3: The Hexagone

[Limkin]

Then I saw Proctor is going to talk in a few hours about it on stream and going by the title its looking to be nothing but a hit piece. “Worst of the year”, when both Niji EN and Wactor are still at large?

Not a dramatuber btw

 

[Superduper Samurai]

hey, long time no see

Seven months ago I decided to get front seats to the trainwreck that Nexas debuts were promised to be. I wanted a scoop on what was looking to be the blackest of the vtubing industry, all the signs were there.

Instead I found a bunch genuine people trying to find a community and friendship. They managed to recruit real talented people, diamonds in the rough that you rarely see in more standard corpos.

I know that sounds really gay and suspiciously optimistic but I don’t care. I found several oshis. I got whitepilled after all the shit at the start of the year left me a doomer. I even renounced vtubing drama, I stopped caring what the newest yab was when there’s these people making kino content to an incredibly small audience and I’m one of them.

Of course not everything was perfect and I took notes when things went wrong, I kept receipts of everything. Want to know the heinous crimes that Nexas commited in all these months?

1. They debuted 4 waves with too many people too close to each other.

That’s it. There was no scam, no overworking, no stealing funds, no gross misstreatment. One guy was a weirdo, they put him on extended hiatus. A few people seemed to have disagreements and left, there were no laundry lists of their crimes. And I guess they didn’t advise that one dude who joined with his real IRL name that this was a dumb idea.

That’s all big bad Nexas did wrong. Small issues like these happen even in the best companies. There were other issues but it’s all linked to the Anilive app and even indies who joined experienced those problems, leading to short streamer retention. I could make a way longer list of what Anilive is doing wrong (yes, they’re separate companies and the app hasn’t announced closure) but I’m not here to share an exposé.

I’m here because I was curious how people were reporting on the news and saw so many lies and nonsense. It’s become a telephone game, because everyone conflates Anilive with Nexas, then they hear “Anilive used AI” and suddenly Nexas is somehow worse than NFTs. Even impartial “vtuber news” have reported shit wrong and it’s frustrating. Then I saw Proctor is going to talk in a few hours about it on stream and going by the title its looking to be nothing but a hit piece. “Worst of the year”, when both Niji EN and Wactor are still at large?

After the annouced closure almost every member has good things to say and sadness it couldn’t last longer. They’re getting the Live2D models and IP for free so they can continue as indies. Does that sound like worst of the year to you? Just to put things into perspective, Wactor let rumors about their favorite chuubas go wild, then fired the girl, left her indebted and with emotional damage, and after all that they rebranded to escape bad PR and lawsuits, THEN RECYCLED HER MODEL AND NAME. All of that went down and I was so close to giving up on vtubers as a whole, but indies and Nexas kept me hopeful.

@The Proctor , if you make the stream today just with the stuff in the thread you’ll only be spreading misinfo and drawing more negative attention to the guys that are trying to rebrand as indies. This whole enterprise is just an over ambitious asian guy’s dream chuuba agency. They don’t need drama eyes on them now

How true were the battle royale allegations and policies?

One of the biggest reasons why people were soured on Nexas before they even debuted their hordes of talents was that horrible website that was really ignorant of the scene as a whole and pitched a scathingly honest propositon where the best talent would be the one sucking up all the opportunities.

That was probably one of the most mental things to pitch out of the gate, especially in the EN scene thats used to a less cutthroat approach unlike how management and conformist cucked most Japs are. It, to an outside ignorant viewer, seems like their own mismanaged expectations and desire to use a pointless alternative platform would be merit enough to label them as a shit corpo.
Is worst of the year hyperbole? Maybe, year isnt over and Niji just announced an investigation, also, WACTOR is commonly ignored by us EOPs because of the language barrier so i think its less of people thinking NEXAS was worse than either companies and more it just being a very visible failure.

 

[Willemshaven]

Timestamp of Suisei performing Bibideba at YouTube Fanfest Japan.
EDIT: Standalone segment as the full stream isn't available anymore.


FuwaMoco talks about raiding visiting the hololive shop in Tokyo Character Street.


Animation of Marine and Kanata discussing how holomem would react to getting peeped at in the bathroom.

It reminded me of another animation of the same moment over two years ago.

3D karaoke of Bling-Bang-Bang-Born with ReGLOSS.

 

[Helkar]

I doubt Nexas even makes it to the top-3 of "worst of the year" since Vrev also exists...existed.

 

[shipmate_F]

@The Proctor you're kinda retarded, there's better titles than this cheap clickbait. You could go for "NEXAS: A battle-royale outlasted by talent" instead.

 

[Negzana]

I doubt Nexas even makes it to the top-3 of "worst of the year" since Vrev also exists...existed.

Doesn't even reach top 4 because that one disgusting fetish group I expunged from even knowing the name of

Also Proctor vs Nousagi in a straightness competition.

 

[God's Strongest Mozumite]

Is this real? Even Kaela?


UPDATE with bilibili link:

验证码_哔哩哔哩

Each talent has recorded a short video (for sale?) in mandarin:

Don't they have to dox themselves to China to stream on Billi? Is Cover retarded? Regardless, the answer is yes

Also Proctor vs Nousagi in a straightness competition.

Like Alien vs Predator: "Whoever Wins, We Lose."

 

[Sankisei]

Don't they have to dox themselves to China to stream on Billi? Is Cover retarded?

Kobo,Ollie and Iofi already streamed on B2 already and there is no doxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxing of them anywhere
Besides these are pre-recorded videos like the ones Gen 0 did some months ago

 

[Negzana]

Is this real? Even Kaela?


UPDATE with bilibili link:

验证码_哔哩哔哩

Each talent has recorded a short video (for sale?) in mandarin:

 

[Todd's Strongest Howard]

What would her coffee flavor taste like then?


E- Note not a coffee drinker but just as a gut feeling I don't think mint and coffee would go together.

I can't speak for how it would turn out as a flavouring baked in to the coffee, but I do remember a time I had a dark chocolate bar infused with mint that I ate while drinking coffee by popping one of the squares into my mouth and running the coffee over it and it was really, really good. I think it could work personally, but it'd have to be really well crafted and I don't know if I'd trust fish on that front.

 

[braindoko]

How true were the battle royale allegations

It was just that, allegations. One guy said it looked like one and CEO Harry told him and others to shut up, everyone else latched to the BR idea because it'd have been funnier than what we got. These days the tributes and everyone just jokes about it.

website that was really ignorant of the scene

completely true. Harry is young and this is his first rodeo with anime people. He really wanted his agency to resemble My Hero Academia where the top teams with the most famous/strongest characters are the face of the academy.

a scathingly honest propositon where the best talent would be the one sucking up all the opportunities.

Also true, they just said the quiet part out loud. Every corpo has their mascot chuuba that they give preferential treatment to because they make them the most money, they just thought it important to advertise this implicit part as a selling point for no good reason

mismanaged expectations

Keyword "mismanaged" here. They had a good staff just not enough for 60+ people and it was all very experimental, Harry and co. just were overly optimistic

desire to use a pointless alternative platform

This part is one of the most important ones and the one everyone gets wrong. Nexas was founded by a young inexperienced guy that needed more investors than he got, and here's where Shunsuke Oyu "Captain" from Prism fame enters the picture.
Initially he wanted to either absorb this new corpo or make Harry work directly under him. Eventually they settled as separate companies. https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000001.000133977.html

Captain had more experience and money, so he became an investor in Nexas but had an agreement where the Nexas chuubas were contractually obligated to use the app for at least X months (started as 3, then became less with each "class" or gen). This of course limited their growth but many in the academy didn't have plans or the means to change streaming platforms after the exclusivity was over. Also they gave them modern phones to stream on the app, some of these people still don't even have a streaming capable PC.

Is worst of the year hyperbole? Maybe, year isnt over and Niji just announced an investigation, also, WACTOR is commonly ignored by us EOPs because of the language barrier so i think its less of people thinking NEXAS was worse than either companies and more it just being a very visible failure.

Still seems overly click baity to me. I know he watches the sheep, think how many idiots she'll get in chat asking "are you the one from the BATTLE ROYALE? Why did you join a BLACK company? Why did you SUPPORT AI?!" (everyone in Nexas hated when the Anilive-sponsored vtubers with AI looking models started arriving and some made statements, it's all on Twitter)
If you really want to learn how things went:
Check the response to the announcement, even QRT are mostly positive.
Read the 2 or so /brg/ threads after news dropped on Monday, they collected most of the relevant info.
Also this guy's report, he also used the app and got an (incomplete) list of the chuubas who want to continue. The few ones graduating either have PLs they liked more or might have been poached in the case of Momoka, although this is speculation from her fans since she loves streaming and is well connected in small corpo circles.

e:

a place that you simply can not see growth
This happened to a lot of IRIAM & Anilive vtubers in Japan.

However, there are still some who actually managed to make it out successfully onto youtube/other venue, but you can count them by fingers.

Isn't this the standard, no matter indie or corpo the hobby is full of abandoned channels and people who quit for many reasons. It still surprises me how small the percent of graduates is overall

internal fights
cliques and bullying/sabotaging,

barely any of that, even when there were leaks chuubas seemed to either get along or mind their own business.
In contrast the Anilive "Jumpstart" vtubers had nonstop drama because they were mostly young kids moving from the REALITY app where everyone male and female behaves like a sexpest.

5th concern is Evanit0 sticking himself into the project and everyone here hate the Yamanba.

First time in all these months seeing that name in relation to Nexas or in general

They promised lectures with people like Filian. They got entirely 1 lecture and still ran out of money after 6 months.

there were more chuubas doing lectures but those were private so we don't have the amount and names. Other names are Punkalopi, Rima, this Elara Elf girl and this guy. Most of the learning seemed to have been from staff to chuuba.

 

[frz]

hey, long time no see

Seven months ago I decided to get front seats to the trainwreck that Nexas debuts were promised to be. I wanted a scoop on what was looking to be the blackest of the vtubing industry, all the signs were there.

Instead I found a bunch genuine people trying to find a community and friendship. They managed to recruit real talented people, diamonds in the rough that you rarely see in more standard corpos.

I know that sounds really gay and suspiciously optimistic but I don’t care. I found several oshis. I got whitepilled after all the shit at the start of the year left me a doomer. I even renounced vtubing drama, I stopped caring what the newest yab was when there’s these people making kino content to an incredibly small audience and I’m one of them.

Of course not everything was perfect and I took notes when things went wrong, I kept receipts of everything. Want to know the heinous crimes that Nexas commited in all these months?

1. They debuted 4 waves with too many people too close to each other.

That’s it. There was no scam, no overworking, no stealing funds, no gross misstreatment. One guy was a weirdo, they put him on extended hiatus. A few people seemed to have disagreements and left, there were no laundry lists of their crimes. And I guess they didn’t advise that one dude who joined with his real IRL name that this was a dumb idea.

That’s all big bad Nexas did wrong. Small issues like these happen even in the best companies. There were other issues but it’s all linked to the Anilive app and even indies who joined experienced those problems, leading to short streamer retention. I could make a way longer list of what Anilive is doing wrong (yes, they’re separate companies and the app hasn’t announced closure) but I’m not here to share an exposé.

I’m here because I was curious how people were reporting on the news and saw so many lies and nonsense. It’s become a telephone game, because everyone conflates Anilive with Nexas, then they hear “Anilive used AI” and suddenly Nexas is somehow worse than NFTs. Even impartial “vtuber news” have reported shit wrong and it’s frustrating. Then I saw Proctor is going to talk in a few hours about it on stream and going by the title its looking to be nothing but a hit piece. “Worst of the year”, when both Niji EN and Wactor are still at large?

After the annouced closure almost every member has good things to say and sadness it couldn’t last longer. They’re getting the Live2D models and IP for free so they can continue as indies. Does that sound like worst of the year to you? Just to put things into perspective, Wactor let rumors about their favorite chuubas go wild, then fired the girl, left her indebted and with emotional damage, and after all that they rebranded to escape bad PR and lawsuits, THEN RECYCLED HER MODEL AND NAME. All of that went down and I was so close to giving up on vtubers as a whole, but indies and Nexas kept me hopeful.

@The Proctor , if you make the stream today just with the stuff in the thread you’ll only be spreading misinfo and drawing more negative attention to the guys that are trying to rebrand as indies. This whole enterprise is just an over ambitious asian guy’s dream chuuba agency. They don’t need drama eyes on them now

- Unironically closing its door after 6 months is the best thing that ever happened to NEXAS/wisest thing Harry chose to do. I agree that now the talents get free live2D after 6 months, it's actually a plus for them. Can't comment on the quality of NEXAS's live2D since I'm not watching them.
Here were my main concerns when the thing was announced:
- No.1 concern was that these "real talented people, diamonds in the rough that you rarely see in more standard corpos" gets contract jailed for multiple years inside a place that you simply can not see growth (locked in apple iOS, shitty app with no viewers, can't stream games, etc.). This happened to a lot of IRIAM & Anilive vtubers in Japan. A lot of talented vtubers' careers went to die in those 2 apps and we may never heard of them. However, there are still some who actually managed to make it out successfully onto youtube/other venue, but you can count them by fingers.
- 2nd concern was NEXAS's promise to include everyone, particularly troons, who bring drama and internal fight everywhere. If it didn't happened to NEXAS then great.
- 3rd being battle royale mode and all the thing that stupid website brought up. When there are prizes to be had, people will resort to cliques and bullying/sabotaging, it's human nature, and you need to vet people well to not see it happening. Nexas announcing that they accept all genders and pronouns didn't help. But it turned out well?
- 4th concern was NEXAS's CEO harry being a /#/ monkey and delusional (or at least easily deceived by Anilive CEO). He claimed Anilive > Twitch and Youtube and will engage in fistfighting on Twitter to protect that opinion. That was a huge redflag, but I guess it ended well.
- 5th concern is Evanit0 sticking himself into the project and everyone here hate the Yamanba.

One of the main concern other people have is the mandatory streams everyday also. But I guess if you find people who willing to do it everyday then fine I guess. I don't really care about it.

How true were the battle royale allegations and policies?

One of the biggest reasons why people were soured on Nexas before they even debuted their hordes of talents was that horrible website that was really ignorant of the scene as a whole and pitched a scathingly honest propositon where the best talent would be the one sucking up all the opportunities.

That was probably one of the most mental things to pitch out of the gate, especially in the EN scene thats used to a less cutthroat approach unlike how management and conformist cucked most Japs are. It, to an outside ignorant viewer, seems like their own mismanaged expectations and desire to use a pointless alternative platform would be merit enough to label them as a shit corpo.
Is worst of the year hyperbole? Maybe, year isnt over and Niji just announced an investigation, also, WACTOR is commonly ignored by us EOPs because of the language barrier so i think its less of people thinking NEXAS was worse than either companies and more it just being a very visible failure.

They promised lectures with people like Filian. They got entirely 1 lecture and still ran out of money after 6 months. A lot of things were said on that website that never went into effect. Pretty much the CEO guy larped too hard and wrote one of the worst PR hit piece ever. If that website page never existed. People would have had much better impression of NEXAS.

 

[Negzana]

Proctor should be doing a stream on EIEN if he had to choose a crumbled corpo because Vrev's collapse is too early to leak info and NEXAS I only learned was a thing this week, but he's gay.

 

[the gnome conspiracy]

How are people chosen for GTA VCR?

 

[Ballpark_Look]

Don't they have to dox themselves to China to stream on Billi?

Only the MCN or a related entity are displayed on the channel. The leading hypothesis is that the rules were rolled back.

I also may be remembering wrong, but I remember that the ID rule only applied to channels that made certain content (ie history, emerging sciences, politics and such). Think we're still far from Ollie teaching about China Australia relations.

 

[frz]

How are people chosen for GTA VCR?

Like every other VCR server, friends and friends of friends.
One of the smallest streamer in there I know of was Tooko, a low 3-view indie who only streamed league of legends
She probs became friends with the VCR crowd after participating in streamer-only league tournaments. E.g. This one where she's on the same team as Shaka and mittiii, 2 VCR veterans. She is one of the big success story through GTA VCR, she's now a 4view during GTA RP (and high 3-view in off time) and got invited to a corpo (keeping her identity) as their biggest star IIRC.


They probs have 2-view indies in there too but i don't really care to remember.

Famous people/streamer are probs autoqualified if asked

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

Doesn't even reach top 4 because that one disgusting fetish group I expunged from even knowing the name of

Also Proctor vs Nousagi in a straightness competition.

Total Selen Attempt 2 happened this fucking year, and somehow Nexas is the worst company of the year lmao.

 

[the gnome conspiracy]

Like every other VCR server, friends and friends of friends.
One of the smallest streamer in there I know of was Tooko, a low 3-view indie who only streamed league of legends
She probs became friends with the VCR crowd after participating in streamer-only league tournaments. E.g. This one where she's on the same team as Shaka and mittiii, 2 VCR veterans. She is one of the big success story through GTA VCR, she's now a 4view during GTA RP (and high 3-view in off time) and got invited to a corpo (keeping her identity) as their biggest star IIRC.


They probs have 2-view indies in there too but i don't really care to remember.

Famous people/streamer are probs autoqualified if asked

So that's who Tooko is. I was wondering who this girl who's showing up in clips was.

 

[Horo7618]

Total Selen Attempt 2 happened this fucking year, and somehow Nexas is the worst company of the year lmao.

Technically no, that was very late last year:

https://archive.ph/ZXmCv

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

Technically no, that was very late last year:

https://archive.ph/ZXmCv

My bad, Total Selen Obliteration happened in February, but the attempt was earlier, I forgor.