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Discord Degeneracy (And Degeneracy in general) Containment Zone

famous artist pipkun

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On the discussion about Donation Reward Tiers, no one would have legal standing in any Western court to win a case. See "DONATION" and the legal implications.

I meant to point this out before the thread got too far, but forgot to post it.
FTC begs to differ. Calling them "rewards" doesnt mean it isn't commerce. Consumer protection in the states hasn't been caveat emptor in a while.

e: link instead: https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/cases/150611chevaliercmpt.pdf
 

PleaseCheckYourReceipts

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FTC begs to differ. Calling them "rewards" doesnt mean it isn't commerce. Consumer protection in the states hasn't been caveat emptor in a while.

e: link instead: https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/cases/150611chevaliercmpt.pdf
1) Crowd Funding Campaign. 2) Declared offering refunds but failed to provide refunds.

Crowd Funding would be "speculative investments" or similar. This was a non-charity Donation for either the Number going up or something like the Time Limit being raised. Implied Services have been rendered. But, I'm well aware the moronic autism that pervades the Vtuber space and the inability to let go of something that they had almost no part in bringing to even a discussion.
 

Thomas Talus

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I can guarantee you no judge is going to require specific performance of the release of an NSFW picture that the subject wasn't comfortable releasing.
 

famous artist pipkun

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I can guarantee you no judge is going to require specific performance of the release of an NSFW picture that the subject wasn't comfortable releasing.
She was dead set on release then changed her mind. More importantly, maybe the judge looks at the pic and wonders if its child porn. This could be the most fun thing in vtuber history. if only a donator was mad enough to actually file a complaint.

This was a non-charity Donation for either the Number going up or something like the Time Limit being raised. Implied Services have been rendered.
Some of it was tangible goods like the scarf (which btw is a raffle, so complainers should look up their gambling laws) and the porn. it arguable that it's it's very much like crowdfunding by another name. we wont know because it's not been brought to a court .
 

Thomas Talus

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She was dead set on release then changed her mind. More importantly, maybe the judge looks at the pic and wonders if its child porn. This could be the most fun thing in vtuber history. if only a donator was mad enough to actually file a complaint.
No, I mean that specific performance of this sort is highly disfavored as a remedy. The best someone could get would be their own donation back, but their attorney fees would outweigh their recovery in all but the most extreme whale cases and I can't see a judge granting attorney fees over a dumb case like this.
 

Paladin

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TBH, the Donathion NSFW drama is dumb. It's clear she wanted to go through with it, but clear heads prevailed in management and listed the possible consequences of having an official NSFW on main. Shina is no scammer and is in fact too honest for her own good, given the infamous boyfriend clip from back in the day. Given the phase girls read this board I will leave this piece of advice. WEAR SOME MORE FUCKING CLOTHES, IT WOULD FILTER THE COOMERS AND ALLOW ME TO WATCH YOUR SHIT IN PUBLIC.
 

El Rrata

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TBH, the Donathion NSFW drama is dumb. It's clear she wanted to go through with it, but clear heads prevailed in management and listed the possible consequences of having an official NSFW on main. Shina is no scammer and is in fact too honest for her own good, given the infamous boyfriend clip from back in the day. Given the phase girls read this board I will leave this piece of advice. WEAR SOME MORE FUCKING CLOTHES, IT WOULD FILTER THE COOMERS AND ALLOW ME TO WATCH YOUR SHIT IN PUBLIC.
Truth is, they should have never okayed it to begin with. Corps should really stay out of the NSFW realm and leave that to fanartists. It can really fuck you up with sponsorships.
 

Hff201

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Regardless of whether it was smart to promise NSFW rewards beforehand, or whether it was smart to cancel them this far in, the pressing issue here is that Shiina is having to spend extra time working on the substitute gifts because of a decision made by management, and I hope she's being compensated for that.
 

Nenélove

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I have lost braincells reading this fucking thread.
 

famous artist pipkun

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Nenélove

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The Proctor

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niggaphil

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When did degeneracy thread become the law discussion thread for NSFW Shiina's artwork....?

Those coomers need to go to watch other shit instead of Shiina, or just hire an artist to draw it

Also, Shiina won't get into legal trouble as long as Chris-chan could escape the rape case, and DSP could go through the bankruptcy case via scamming :smugselen:

Coomers seeth, Coomers!! :pippaseethe;
 

Titanosaurus

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When did degeneracy thread become the law discussion thread for NSFW Shiina's artwork....?

Those coomers need to go to watch other shit instead of Shiina, or just hire an artist to draw it

Also, Shiina won't get into legal trouble as long as Chris-chan could escape the rape case, and DSP could go through the bankruptcy case via scamming :smugselen:

Coomers seeth, Coomers!! :pippaseethe;
Hey, we've also been discussing our desire for her hand-made scarves :whatastory:
 

Sky Shouter

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Your Honor, I apologize for interrupting the proceedings of Coomer & Coomer LLP v. Shiina Amanogawa, but I would like to present the court an example of real degeneracy.

I have made the grievous mistake, your Honor, of entering /vt/. Now, your Honor, it has been well established via precedent in this thread that /vt/ is a hive of schizophrenic delusions and villany, but despite the warnings, I saw that they had a thread on gun-themed vtubers like Sleepy Project, which is exactly my favorite kind of niche. Now, your Honor, would it not be reasonable to assume that a specific niche that isn't inherently sexual would stay at least reasonably clear of degenerate content?

Unfortunately, your Honor, I was proven very wrong. I now present the court with Exhibit A.

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I had no argument, your Honor. I just wanted to show the court how I will not reenter /vt/ in the future. I rest my case, and you may now recommence with the previous civil case of Coomer & Coomer LLP v. Shiina Amanogawa.
 

Lazybug

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Your Honor, I apologize for interrupting the proceedings of Coomer & Coomer LLP v. Shiina Amanogawa, but I would like to present the court an example of real degeneracy.

I have made the grievous mistake, your Honor, of entering /vt/. Now, your Honor, it has been well established via precedent in this thread that /vt/ is a hive of schizophrenic delusions and villany, but despite the warnings, I saw that they had a thread on gun-themed vtubers like Sleepy Project, which is exactly my favorite kind of niche. Now, your Honor, would it not be reasonable to assume that a specific niche that isn't inherently sexual would stay at least reasonably clear of degenerate content?

Unfortunately, your Honor, I was proven very wrong. I now present the court with Exhibit A.


I had no argument, your Honor. I just wanted to show the court how I will not reenter /vt/ in the future. I rest my case, and you may now recommence with the previous civil case of Coomer & Coomer LLP v. Shiina Amanogawa.
You know Whiskey has an nsfw fanart section on her discord right? And commsioned art of her effectively being raped before yeah?
:SelenHAHAhere:
 

The Proctor

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commsioned art of her effectively being raped before yeah?

Men make the 'your honour, she was asking for it' defence as the punchline of a joke.

Women didn't get the memo.
 

famous artist pipkun

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You know Whiskey has an nsfw fanart section on her discord right? And commsioned art of her effectively being raped before yeah?
:SelenHAHAhere:
so shes down with rape pics is she? *strokes chin*
 

bothyourhouses

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What your describing is an oral contract which has zero value in any court of law because it becomes a game of "x said this Y said that"
Oral agreements are 100% enforceable, as good as signed paper in most jurisdictions. The only wrinkle is that if someone chooses to lie about it and deny everything, it can be hard to prove to the court that the agreement happened. Obviously that's not an issue in this case.
the only questionable thing here would be if they refused refunds. Are they doing that perhaps i missed the memo?
Have they offered refunds at all? Most of these streaming "donation" platforms do not make it easy.
 

Hff201

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Shiina potentially swallowing a bonk for directly interacting with an AI pic of her getting fucked. I'm not spoonfeeding you porn, find it yourself if you must.

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Your Honor, I apologize for interrupting the proceedings of Coomer & Coomer LLP v. Shiina Amanogawa, but I would like to present the court an example of real degeneracy.

I have made the grievous mistake, your Honor, of entering /vt/. Now, your Honor, it has been well established via precedent in this thread that /vt/ is a hive of schizophrenic delusions and villany, but despite the warnings, I saw that they had a thread on gun-themed vtubers like Sleepy Project, which is exactly my favorite kind of niche. Now, your Honor, would it not be reasonable to assume that a specific niche that isn't inherently sexual would stay at least reasonably clear of degenerate content?

Unfortunately, your Honor, I was proven very wrong. I now present the court with Exhibit A.


I had no argument, your Honor. I just wanted to show the court how I will not reenter /vt/ in the future. I rest my case, and you may now recommence with the previous civil case of Coomer & Coomer LLP v. Shiina Amanogawa.
Lewd art with Rye in it isn't exactly a surprise, you may need to catch up on your reps.
 
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