Banter/Off-topic Thread & Community Stoning Platform

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

Please, Russian man who has never left his country, keep telling me what reality is in the country I live in and the culture I've studied extensively for years.

Im not talking about your country tho?

 

[Just pretending]

Im not talking about your country tho?

Is being an American from SoCal worse or better than being a filthy Brit?

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I mean, at least in SoCal they have nice weather, so in that instance it makes them better than Brits.

If by "nice weather" you mean "frequent, years-long periods of drought"...

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

Is being an American from SoCal worse or better than being a filthy Brit?

Debatable. I wish both got stabbed tho

 

[Dr. Welshman]

I mean, at least in SoCal they have nice weather, so in that instance it makes them better than Brits.

Especially Welsh.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

This thread

 

[shipmate_F]

The last 2 pages

 

[httn]

But on the other hand, I also feel like anyone still sceptical should give the Short post another once-over.

Out of interest I went back to the farms post to re-read it. @Short add links (and archives) to the original /vt/ posts you femboy.

Fucking Africans always doing half a job.

 

[Faceless Waifu]

I couldn't care less about the shenanigans that happened from the past couple pages (and in other threads/proctor's groomcord). All I really care is generating ai art.

have an example.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, this is based on azehara's design of femboy proctor.

 

[reinigen]

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Successfully serving it's purpose then!

 

[VSoyBoy]

I couldn't care less about the shenanigans that happened from the past couple pages (and in other threads/proctor's groomcord). All I really care is generating ai art.

have an example.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, this is based on azehara's design of femboy proctor.

Rural Ireland looking a lot like downtown Tokyo, huh. Industrialization gets us all, I guess.

 

[Koronesuki]

I couldn't care less about the shenanigans that happened from the past couple pages (and in other threads/proctor's groomcord). All I really care is generating ai art.

have an example.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, this is based on azehara's design of femboy proctor.

That's clearly just Crunchyroll Hime without the fox ears and tail.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

That's clearly just Crunchyroll Hime without the fox ears and tail.

If Proctor had his own fluffy tail, would he ever leave the house (or go to the grooomcore)?

 

[Hff201]

I wish to confirm this. Not one single person has (yet) been banned or disciplined over this. I was regretting that stance until recently, but I'm glad I didn't start shooting wildly because it has given other people the chance to speak out and prove many of my points.

Allow me to now quote from one of my favourite pieces of truly precognitive research; the Mouse Utopia experiment.



I sincerely feel as if the crux of this debate lies not with the details, but the fundamental perspectives of those on either side. One side is mentally and emotionally well adjusted enough, and possesses enough connections to generational values, that the idea of defending someone like Kiki is genuinely incomprehensible. Their very moral fibre rebels against the idea. Their genetic instincts to recoil from things that are objectively detrimental are intact, and have not been dulled by endless hours scrolling gore and pornography on 4chan.

Some people might find this a condescending or insulting stance, as I am essentially telling them that there is something broken, damaged and malfunctioning about their brains. Good; they should be insulted, because they are worthy of insults. Nobody whose first instinct upon reading 'I have sexual desires towards children and actively seek the company of disabled infants' is anything resembling 'I need to hear more about this individual's opinions and expect a convincing argument that will exonerate them' has a well-adjusted brain chemistry.

As a comparison; we often talk about transsexuals on this forum. I'd say the vast majority of us would scoff at the idea of a transperson passing as the opposite sex convincingly. Why is that? Well, it's because the moment they open their mouths to speak, something deeply rooted in our subconscious automatically assigns them a biological sex. We think 'man' or 'woman'. We don't think 'nonbinary intersex trans lesbian attack helicopter'. Most of us can't perfectly describe how or why this happens, we just know. Doesn't matter if they wear makeup, are on HRT, have had surgery, etc. Our brains are hardwired to categorize them and do it accurately.

Our brains should do the same when it comes to statements like the one I commented on above. You should react to a lack of instinctual revulsion and condemnation of paedophilia with deep introspection, to figure out what is wrong with your innate, biological instincts. Your conscience should not physically allow you to indulge in anything besides that reaction. It should clench your gut into knots to even think about typing a phrase like 'I think we should give the person who says they want to rape children the benefit of the doubt'.

A lot of people seem to think this stance requires further action. However, it really doesn't. All I expect and want people to do is not try and delude themselves that there is any other rational, reasonable explanation for all of this, and then get on with their lives. It takes very, very little effort to not side with paedophiles, and aside from that, I have never asked or even implied that people should do anything more. You don't even need to make a virtue signal and say 'yeah, kill all pdf files' or whatever. I don't need that, I don't want that, and it would accomplish barely anything anyway.

All you need to do, if you feel so inclined, is to copy-paste the links to the compilations about Kiki that have so far been created, and have them at the ready if you see the unaware commenting on the drama without a complete picture of the facts. You don't have to yell at them, you don't have to insist they look. Just make sure they can come to an informed decision.

That's all anyone should expect.

I mostly appreciate where you're coming from here, but I think the greater problem is that paedophile accusations, as a concept, have become so diluted that the immediate repulsion has worn out. It's not 4chan pornography causing that, it's the endless supply of melodramatic rambling Google docs, Twitlongers, and even random rumours and dramamongering that have taken what should be the most damning thing you could say about a person, and trivialised it into something petty. In the Current Year, when I hear that someone is a paedophile, it could mean they are a 22-year-old streamer with a 19-year-old girlfriend, that they retweeted fanart of an ambiguously-aged anime character, that they had an underaged partner who lied and said they were older, that they made a joke that looks bad without context, that they were manipulated or groomed into posting dark material for someone else's gratification, or, in seemingly much-rarer situations, that they are sexually attracted to children.

The number of false accusations a typical person will encounter online far outnumber the genuine ones, so it's hard to be surprised when someone's initial reaction to seeing something like this is to comb through everything and exhaust every single possibility they could be innocent, even farfetched ones, before assuming guilt. I found myself doing it subconsciously even though I trust the forum staff to vet information for accuracy and know for a fact you have absolutely no reason to lie about this, and it wasn't until I broke down the facts for myself like this that it sunk in how bad this situation really is.

In an honest world we'd still have that violent repulsion upon hearing someone's a paedophile and act immediately, but letting that feeling take over in the real world we live in would result in a lot of innocent people having their reputations ruined for nothing, and would play directly into the hands of abusive people who use life-ruination tactics like riling up a mob in bad faith to hurt their victims. It's hideous all around, but when someone's gut reaction is to start picking everything apart and speculate on ways it might not be as bad as it looks, I get it.

 

[AO Cody]

Cody's effortposts were among the first to cause ire, but I do think it's important to acknowledge that at no point was he trying to make the point that "this creepy shit is okay, actually", he was just fumbling over himself trying to psychoanalyse it against what he knows about her. That's not the wisest thing to think out loud about, but if we removed posts like that it would just be everyone saying "paedophilia is bad" over and over, which duh, abusing kids is abhorrent, we don't need a thread to tell us that.

For the record, the point of my posts was the explain why it's best to exercise caution, because with what little we have to go with, my posts were meant to focus on all the potential holes in the story, and elements that need to be considered because they further complicate the situation. This seemed like something people were fixing to get actionable upon, and if you want to take action on something, you need rock-solid proof and all your bases covered, otherwise it can blow up in your face. As has been pointed out, we live in a world where accusations are treated with much more scrutiny.

If the guy that runs this site is going to advocate taking action, and it blows up in his face, we all get dragged down with him.

 

[reinigen]

If the guy that runs this site is going to advocate taking action, and it blows up in his face, we all get dragged down with him.

I mean this honestly - please point to me where Proctor advocated to do anything beyond archive, catalogue, and discuss that wasn't obvious argument related hyperbole.

Because frankly I think that part is all in your head making some weird extrapolation bout us vs. the Farms.

 

[El Rrata]

If Proctor had his own fluffy tail, would he ever leave the house (or go to the grooomcore)?

What do you call that? Auto-fluffing?

 

[Thomas Talus]

What do you call that? Auto-fluffing?

Autoneurotic asphyxiation

 

[Awoogers]

What do you call that? Auto-fluffing?

grooming

the actual one

 

[No way dude]

I couldn't care less about the shenanigans that happened from the past couple pages (and in other threads/proctor's groomcord). All I really care is generating ai art.

have an example.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, this is based on azehara's design of femboy proctor.

That picture
I just realesed proctor is not male pekora
He is male kiara.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

I mostly appreciate where you're coming from here, but I think the greater problem is that paedophile accusations, as a concept, have become so diluted that the immediate repulsion has worn out. It's not 4chan pornography causing that, it's the endless supply of melodramatic rambling Google docs, Twitlongers, and even random rumours and dramamongering that have taken what should be the most damning thing you could say about a person, and trivialised it into something petty. In the Current Year, when I hear that someone is a paedophile, it could mean they are a 22-year-old streamer with a 19-year-old girlfriend, that they retweeted fanart of an ambiguously-aged anime character, that they had an underaged partner who lied and said they were older, that they made a joke that looks bad without context, that they were manipulated or groomed into posting dark material for someone else's gratification, or, in seemingly much-rarer situations, that they are sexually attracted to children.

The number of false accusations a typical person will encounter online far outnumber the genuine ones, so it's hard to be surprised when someone's initial reaction to seeing something like this is to comb through everything and exhaust every single possibility they could be innocent, even farfetched ones, before assuming guilt. I found myself doing it subconsciously even though I trust the forum staff to vet information for accuracy and know for a fact you have absolutely no reason to lie about this, and it wasn't until I broke down the facts for myself like this that it sunk in how bad this situation really is.

In an honest world we'd still have that violent repulsion upon hearing someone's a paedophile and act immediately, but letting that feeling take over in the real world we live in would result in a lot of innocent people having their reputations ruined for nothing, and would play directly into the hands of abusive people who use life-ruination tactics like riling up a mob in bad faith to hurt their victims. It's hideous all around, but when someone's gut reaction is to start picking everything apart and speculate on ways it might not be as bad as it looks, I get it.

So you are saying we SHOULDN'T believe all women now? I'm confused.