That is a fairly disingenuous way to frame this issue, and I'll tell you why.I had that in mind, so I sourced it to be sure.
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This is essentially my argument as well. For a long time, the loli/shota defenders have always fallen back on 'It's not a real kid, go worry about actual pedos and CSAM stuff'. Which is something I understand and I do end up agreeing with. Well now we have an example of someone saying 'nope, fuckit. I like kids' and we still have people coming out of the wordwork to defend her. Why is everyone believing every single other screenshot that was posted about her, but this is the one people don't want to take seriously? I don't understand it.
Think about it this way. Look at Twitch. If you say "I am 13 years old" in someone's Twitch Chat, the streamer is obligated to ban you even if you can prove you are above 18. Their stream is in jeopardy if they do not proactively ban you and they themselves can be actioned for it.
If we, the owner and operators of this site, believe the following:
One of the many reasons we asked people to stop is similar to the above example with Twitch. If we - the entire moderation staff - honestly believe that there might be people going to bat for someone ALL of the mods suspect is a pedo, what is our moral obligation here? What action do we take for the health of the website as a whole? We were pleading with people to just stop making those effort posts and to simply condemn her and move on.
- We have discovered a vTuber that has expressed pedophilic thoughts both publicly (borderline via toddlercon) and privately (I was attracted to children).
- This person, despite claiming they've gotten better and don't harbor those thoughts, has seemingly done nothing to break free of the persona/audience that entertained and encouraged those thoughts in the past.
- This person has also demonstrated a large penchant for deception and attempting to hide her previous bad actions (DMCA'ing archive sites, live DFE of her steam profile, etc).
- When presenting what evidence and conjecture we feel is pretty compelling about the situation, we have people going "So I know we said in the past "At least it isn't real kids", but now that its real kids let me tell you how the potential pedo might be the real victim here" (I understand this is editorialized, fuck off).
Now tell me what are we to do for the overall health and image of this website? Because I sure as shit don't particularly like the position I've been put in by this. This is one of the few subjects on the planet you absolutely cannot fuck around with and yet here we are.
First and foremost, you have god damn mod tools, and can easily time someone out for a small period of time, dm someone explaining your exact concerns to them privately, and keep general discussion open.
Second, if encouraging a healthy image of the website is the goal, there are other issues on here far worse, ie proctor meltdowns and ban threats for rules not previously stated.
Third, and most importantly. We literally just transferred to a private server, specifically so this site can't be taken down on a whim. Why is it that we're suddenly concerned with one kind of internet no-no for the site's image(arguably the most important no-no, to be fair), when you're ignoring literally every other internet no-no that will also tank the site's image? I mean, I know it's because you guys in particular feel more strongly about this one (as do I, for that matter), but the subjectivity of it is what's concerning, and why I feel your post kind of rings hollow.
I said it before, and I'll say it again for the last time because I have work in a few hours and really really really need to go to bed at this point. There are very legitimate reasons to be unhappy with how circle-jerky this damn Kiki thing is, and none of them have to do with her diddling kids. Fucking put her behind bars immediately, damn. None of my issues are with her treatment, it is ALL how people here are getting off on it, and how they were continuing to keep fucking bitching about other members over it for literal days until it drove me fucking insane. And there are risks to the website when you let the circle-jerks go too, might I add. Woo-hoo, TVA found the Boston Bomber, it was Biboo the whole time, except it wasn't actually her and then we're fucked. Not the case this time. But damn if it isn't coming down the pike.
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