Hololive General

Phantasm · Saturday at 9:34 PM

BlueSharkTV said:
As a Kronii viewer I can tell you all indie games are pretentious slop, every single one is about depression or gay shit or depressed gays, or fantasy that leads into depression or some form of political shit hidden behind the depression.

Not just indie slop we have the game right now being hailed as GOTY and it's got the plot twist about it all being just a dream and dealing with depression and loss

Aka Split · Saturday at 9:52 PM

Phantasm said:
it all being just a dream

I don't completely buy that, I think the amount of how 'real' it is really depends on how the magic of the real world works. Like, are the creations sentient beings with thoughts and feelings, or are they literal programmed NPC's executing their code? Everything you see makes it seem as though they are 'real'. I haven't gone to beat the final boss yet, but I'm not sure if anything in the ending will answer that definitively or change my mind. The obvious solution that would solve everything in my view would be kick all the painters out of the world and just allow it to exist as it was, as opposed to erasing everything. This would require them to have the willpower to not jump back in again, so the two women just need to learn some impulse control.

I don't speak JP and I don't really even like her, but I watched most of Koyori's first stream yesterday and her emotional reactions were pretty good. She should be getting to the ending of Act 1 tonight:

(and she's got a translator in chat)

Phantasm · Saturday at 9:55 PM

Aka Split said:
I don't completely buy that, I think the amount of how 'real' it is really depends on how the magic of the real world works. Like, are the creations sentient beings with thoughts and feelings, or are they literal programmed NPC's executing their code? Everything you see makes it seem as though they are 'real'. I haven't gone to beat the final boss yet, but I'm not sure if anything in the ending will answer that definitively or change my mind. The obvious solution that would solve everything in my view would be kick all the painters out of the world and just allow it to exist as it was, as opposed to erasing everything. This would require them to have the willpower to not jump back in again, so the two women just need to learn some impulse control.

I don't speak JP and I don't really even like her, but I watched most of Koyori's first stream yesterday and her emotional reactions were pretty good. She should be getting to the ending of Act 1 tonight:

I've played the game and watch several Holo members if they really wanted you to question whether or not the people in the painting are real they wouldn't have made the unambiguously good ending the one where they straight up delete the world and everyone in it to save one family

agility_ · Saturday at 9:55 PM

BlueSharkTV said:
As a Kronii viewer I can tell you all indie games are pretentious slop, every single one is about depression or gay shit or depressed gays, or fantasy that leads into depression or some form of political shit hidden behind the depression.

Really? Supermeatboy was about depression huh.

Phantasm · Saturday at 9:57 PM

agility_ said:
Really? Supermeatboy was about depression huh.

Yes when he said all indie games he literally meant all of them because he certainly wasn't using the storytelling device of exaggeration called 'hyperbole' or anything

Aka Split · Saturday at 10:00 PM

Phantasm said:
I've played the game and watch several Holo members if they really wanted you to question whether or not the people in the painting are real they wouldn't have made the unambiguously good ending the one where they straight up delete the world and everyone in it to save one family

That's just being French. Suicide is glorified several times in the painted family and it's considered a good thing to have no hope for the future and instead just give up and die. That doesn't mean that it's RIGHT (I think it's a false dichotomy that the world has to be destroyed to save the real family, again; just get some willpower and stay out of it) and it doesn't answer the question of if it's 'real'.

Phantasm · Saturday at 10:03 PM

Aka Split said:
That's just being French. Suicide is glorified several times in the painted family and it's considered a good thing to have no hope for the future and instead just give up and die. That doesn't mean that it's RIGHT (I think it's a false dichotomy that the world has to be destroyed to save the real family, again; just get some willpower and stay out of it) and it doesn't answer the question of if it's 'real'.

Yeah unfortunately the fanbase quickly seems to be on it's way of reaching Undertale levels of toxic because even suggesting what you are results in a dozen people crawling out of the woodwork so they can tell you about how immature you are because you "just can't handle games" that have no happy endings

Negzana · Saturday at 10:06 PM

That Pemaloe is me

PleaseCheckYourReceipts · Saturday at 10:06 PM

Negzana said:
I like watching girls play Iron Lung. It basically avoided very single trope indie horrorslop games had and just went straight to the point with being oppressive and creepy. The worldbuilding isn't some metaphor for depression, it's just senseless cosmic horror that has no explanation and that actually is a good thing.

Classic FNaF games are also fun to watch.

Horror always works better when it's in the Brothers Grimm/Fairytale style, whether more grounded, religious or cosmic in approach. The problem with way too many Indie games is that the people that want to make an "indie" game can't see beyond their own navel-gazing most of the time. Grief & Loss are always prime fodder for storytelling because everyone can connect with them, but the depression bits is really more of virtue signaling than anything else they're doing. The "oh, woe is me!" signaling.

Phantasm · Saturday at 10:14 PM

Negzana said:
That Pemaloe is me

Edit: @Negzana I'm saying you're stupid, because your mama dropped you when you were a baby. Fucking SEANigs I swear

White Stone · Saturday at 10:41 PM

Negzana said:
I like watching girls play Iron Lung. It basically avoided very single trope indie horrorslop games had and just went straight to the point with being oppressive and creepy. The worldbuilding isn't some metaphor for depression, it's just senseless cosmic horror that has no explanation and that actually is a good thing.

agility_ · Saturday at 10:46 PM

The dog that steals our yubis is closing in on hour 14 of her dark ages playthrough.

frz · Saturday at 10:53 PM

Laplus "Frozen Burger Enjoyer" Darkness of hololive
- Don't want yakiniku
- Can't eat expensive sushi, only eat drug store sushi
- Don't like shabu-shabu
- Once ordered 4 fried chicken bento + 3 burger at once to eat over a week.
- Finally settled on Saireziya (Japanese chain specializing in spaghetti)
- Also can't eat onigiri????? (Bro it's just rice with seaweed)

Smelliest007 · Saturday at 10:54 PM

frz said:
Laplus "Burger" Darkness of hololive
- Don't want yakiniku
- Can't eat expensive sushi, only eat drug store sushi
- Don't like shabu-shabu
- Once ordered 4 burgers + 3 frenchfries for 1 meal
- Finally settled on Saireziya (Japanese chain specializing in spaghetti)
- Also can't eat onigiri????? (Bro it's just rice with seaweed)

Troublesome woman, unironic troublesome, I could not put up with that. Give me the Korean gaki anytime.

frz · Saturday at 11:00 PM

Smelliest007 said:
Troublesome woman, unironic troublesome, I could not put up with that. Give me the Korean gaki anytime.

I was actually hiding context there, half of those she just dont want to bother with ordering a private room
That being said, ordering 3 burgers so you can store on the fridge to save delivery cost and microwave them later should be illegal somewhere.

Phantasm · Saturday at 11:03 PM

frz said:
I was actually hiding context there, half of those she just dont want to bother with ordering a private room
That being said, ordering 3 burgers so you can store on the fridge to save delivery cost and microwave them later should be illegal somewhere.

This is the second time I'm hearing about a Holomember doing that

NeneLOVE · 2025-06-01T00:09:39-0400

Celeste is about depression and the game is fucking gold, indie games which are walking simulators, Rpgmaker RPGs or VNs AND are about depression are the ones which are cancer.

Phantasm · 2025-06-01T00:20:50-0400

NeneLOVE said:
Celeste is about depression

And troons/lesbians can't forget those two

Aka Split · 2025-06-01T00:47:26-0400

Phantasm said:
And troons/lesbians can't forget those two

It goes hand in hand with being a speedrunner game.

Geese Howard · 2025-06-01T01:25:18-0400

Oga and Miyabi just volunteered to do the first stream demonstrating Cover's new studio tech, which is apparently called "self booth 3D."

Bullet points:

No advance setup needed; Cover's full studio 3D shoots typically require 3 to 5 hours of prep and 10+ studio techs
No mocap suits or wearable trackers needed
No studio employees required (a talent manager was controlling the environments and backgrounds)
Has some trouble with fast hand movements
Can technically handle 3 people at once, but loses accuracy with any more than 2

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