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frz said:

When you dumb things down too much you run into the mistake of giving people ammunition
If phase connect generate 20 coffee beans/month (I refuse to use vbucks as a currency)
It would look more like this:
Pippa generate 8 coffee beans/month
Tenma generate 4 coffee beans/month
Lumi generates 4 coffee beans/month
Uruka generates 3 coffee beans/month
Hina generates 0.1 coffee bean
The rest cover the missing 0.9 coffee bean
Edit: I can't math

Proctor is arguing Hina generate so little it doesn't matter and not make sense to punish her. If pippa on the other hand decided to stop and you lose that 10 coffee beans/month. Things will certainly be dealt differently than the way Hina situation was handled.

At least that's what I hope Proctor is arguing, I didn't read most of his paragraphs
I'm just pointing out your argument is flawed.

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Even if it is 0.1, it is still negative opportunity cost.
I'm just saying that it isn't nothing, as it is still less than before.

I simplified it intentionally as he argued that a missing talent is net-neutral. Which it just isn't .
Is the impact different between talents? Definitely.
Is the impact less the larger your company is? Also yes.
But it is NOT nothing.
That's what all my argument was about.
And that's why I don't see it as flawed.

God's Strongest Dragoon said:

You argued that because of this, he doesn't need to listen to his talents and he could lose any 2 or 3 talents and the corpo would be perfectly viable.

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Yes, under ideal circumstances Phase could lose several talents and still have a perfectly viable brand.

God's Strongest Dragoon said:

Now you're trying to claim your point is that Pippa's mindset would influence her to either avoid a messy graduation, which is entirely different that the prior rebuttal I made that it doesn't matter how the graduation is presented, it's how she'll act and Capipis would pick up on it.

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That was always my point. It is well established that Pippa puts herself down and has in the past chosen to both censor herself for the sake of her coworkers and in general has a substantial inferiority complex about her own success and progress. I am saying that your rebuttal is not relevant because it depends on a reaction to an event which is extremely unlikely to happen in the first place. Sakana can safely bet on her simply not graduating and causing issues for the company, because her pliability and willingness to endure hardship is a known quantity. This is a calculated risk, but one that he would likely regard as an acceptable one given the odds at play and past evidence. I apologize for wording things inadequately and giving the wrong impression initially.

God's Strongest Dragoon said:

>Phase tourist makes retarded claims and argues the burden is on me to provide timestamps and references to refute him

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My closest associates are people who have watched Phase Connect talents for years, quite a few of whom knew Pippa before she was even Pippa. What exactly would streams that I supposedly miss change about my perspective, given that influence?

God's Strongest Dragoon said:

I had also mentioned how your claim that Tenma would avoid confrontation with Sakana is such a tourist take that you might as swap your icon for @MerelyTourist.

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I didn't mention Tenma at any point, you were the one who brought her up. I agree that her leaving in a huff would cause problems for Phase, but I also don't see that as very likely. I can't think of much that Sakana could do that would genuinely piss her off to the point of leaving Phase. She steers very well clear of edgy political stuff that has gotten other talents in trouble and is clearly extremely uncomfortable with anything 'right wing' or counter-narrative. Notice how little she collaborates with Pippa nowadays, too. (Actually I take the L here, they collaborated fairly recently, but I refuse to hold it alone, because everyone else I asked to try and cover for my own potential memory issues were just as forgetful.) Basically, I think that she'd be more likely to be on Sakana's side than against him.

Even someone as small as Hina seems like a pretty big loss on Hiatus, even with the posibility that she already covered all her costs of "being" Hina (e.g Model, rigging, artwork, misc items like layouts)

If they have already covered those costs, then its probably closer to neutral, if not, then its probably a bigger loss

It does make sense that Sakana has more ability to push for certain things and behaviors nowadays, but, as others have already said, I'm sure he does his best to balance what and when he pushes and keeping the talents satisfied. I can definitely see some of what Proctor is saying where Sakana might imply a long-term soft-push for certain things now, whereas earlier he wouldn't have done that with the year 1 near walk-out.

I don't really quite get what Proctor is trying to say about how Pippa feels about things. Yes, Pippa would try make things as clean as possible if she left, because anything else would hurt people she considers friends in the company (unless she had a severe falling out with multiple/all talents in Phase). But losing her even trying to make things cleaner would kill a lot of Phase's momentum, if not outright bury it. And I can't see Tenma sitting down and taking a truly messy break quietly.

what is this fucking fishman slander I read First of all FUCK YOU!! HE'S THE GREATEST CEO OF ALL TIME

It's like I'm reading some libtard takes jesus christ. Fishman is indeed a chink business man but he has shown plenty of times he legitimately cares about these bitches. He came into this shit knowing fuckall about the vtubing industry and also the internet outside of the normie sphere. The only thing he knew was that marine was the shit and he needed one, something that to this day he still tries to achieve. My nigga fishman is the embodiment of the bear grylls quote, he's done plenty of stupid shit but if he was a purebreed chink he would've fired at least 6 girls by now and probably sold the company to brave too. This idea that he's some master manipulator waiting to make his move to print infinite money is quite laughable once you watch him talk about the company. I will also say that if he doesn't fix up his merch issues the company might eat shit soon. Take your fucking merch production out of the chink hive
for the 2 turbo speds, the first line is a joke

Holorust is back

There was no reason to fire Hina, and lots of reasons not to fire her:
1) It would look incredibly bad to fire someone who had left after expressing concern for their father's health and saying they wouldn't be able to stream if something happened, and who managed to come back from hiatus after her father had health concerns.
2) Hina was in production art for upcoming events, as art gets produced months in advance. Firing her would mean that art would need to be reworked (costing money). After getting through that art, it made sense to produce event art without her, which didn't cost any money either.,
3) Hina's fanbase would be upset, and would have negative feelings towards Phase Connect as a whole
4) The other talents would be upset.
5) There's little downside in keeping a talent on the books that's not streaming. They don't require management time or resources (managers work across all talents for Phase Connect, rather than being assigned specific talents). There was also a chance of her coming back, which would mean she could generate income in the future.

Now let's say Pippa suddenly stopped streaming. The same reasoning would apply, even if Pippa generates more income for PC than Hina does. Firing her for not working is bad optics, especially if it was a personal or family emergency, it would upset the fanbase and other talents, and there would be little downside for keeping Pippa as an employee.

I don't get the argument that Sakana would be less lenient with Pippa than Hina, even if Pippa generates more money for PC than Hina does.

Lurker McSpic said:

what is this fucking fishman slander I read First of all FUCK YOU!! HE'S THE GREATEST CEO OF ALL TIME

It's like I'm reading some libtard takes jesus christ. Fishman is indeed a chink business man but he has shown plenty of times he legitimately cares about these bitches. He came into this shit knowing fuckall about the vtubing industry and also the internet outside of the normie sphere. The only thing he knew was that marine was the shit and he needed one, something that to this day he still tries to achieve. My nigga fishman is the embodiment of the bear grylls quote, he's done plenty of stupid shit but if he was a purebreed chink he would've fired at least 6 girls by now and probably sold the company to brave too. This idea that he's some master manipulator waiting to make his move to print infinite money is quite laughable once you watch him talk about the company. I will also say that if he doesn't fix up his merch issues the company might eat shit soon. Take your fucking merch production out of the chink hive
for the 2 turbo speds, the first line is a joke

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@NeneLOVE prepare the Brave chart

Superduper Samurai said:

Even someone as small as Hina seems like a pretty big loss on Hiatus, even with the posibility that she already covered all her costs of "being" Hina (e.g Model, rigging, artwork, misc items like layouts)

If they have already covered those costs, then its probably closer to neutral, if not, then its probably a bigger loss

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There's also the matter of opportunity costs during her two absences, which someone with business experience like FIshman would know about and consider.

For anyone else who tried to read any of the past several pages of nonsense, have a Mint:

Tubedude said:

But losing her even trying to make things cleaner would kill a lot of Phase's momentum, if not outright bury it.

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Pippa's content and personality have caused Phase issues in the past, particularly in the con scene. Now, I believe those cons should be told to pound sand infested with fire ants, but from a pure business standpoint I don't believe it's as clear-cut. Some doors might open for Phase if Pippa was no longer with the company. I don't think they'd outweigh the doors that might close if she left even under the best of circumstances, but there is some level of nuance there.

It's also 5AM, so I'm going to bed. Goodnight!

Ina and Kiara making puns with a new manager's nickname.

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Ina believes the Ina graduation doomposters must not be actual Ina viewers.

For Proctor's sake, though this is a bit late.

Both of these clips, a year apart (and very easy to search due to them being easy clip material) detail how incompetent Sakana was year 1 and how much better it got post-Muumi. In addition, this also shows a key fact - Pippa certainly still has pull within the company. Her needing all of management to talk her down from going full scorched-earth on Phase shows that they really value her as an asset and her simply leaving would not be something they can afford.

Trap Supremacy said:

For Proctor's sake, though this is a bit late.

Both of these clips, a year apart (and very easy to search due to them being easy clip material) detail how incompetent Sakana was year 1 and how much better it got post-Muumi. In addition, this also shows a key fact - Pippa certainly still has pull within the company. Her needing all of management to talk her down from going full scorched-earth on Phase shows that they really value her as an asset and her simply leaving would not be something they can afford.

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she also talked about another company trying to poach her, she pretended to be interested to know all the details and then told sakana about it LOL

I'm pretty sure it was Aviel but I have no proof LMAO

dkn2038 said:

I'm pretty sure it was Aviel but I have no proof LMAO

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Aviel tried to poach everyone so it was definitely him. I'm not asleep yet because my laptop wifi suddenly died and made me think the site was down, and the adrenaline rush dragged me back to wakefulness until I realized the issue.

The Proctor said:

Aviel tried to poach everyone so it was definitely him. I'm not asleep yet because my laptop wifi suddenly died and made me think the site was down, and the adrenaline rush dragged me back to wakefulness until I realized the issue.

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poached everyone but a competent accountant capable of preventing him of burning all those sheckels in useless conventions

dkn2038 said:

poached everyone but a competent accountant capable of preventing him of burning all those sheckels in useless conventions

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Poached everyone including a slavic silly pill skeleton

What a lad

Aviel certainly had an eye for talent. Not sure what that says about Pippa though

Superduper Samurai said:

Poached everyone including a slavic silly pill skeleton

What a lad

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Poached everything except an audience for his talents.

Superduper Samurai said:

Holorust is back

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hopefully its the same formula as the previous ones, interested in seeing all these new ens causing havoc