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Smelliest007

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*Early on, Fauna had some yandere elements to her character and she would lean into what I'd call "creepy cute" elements with her character not being an entirely benevolent character. My suspicion is that management saw that as off-brand for her and, with her rebrand as Nimi Nightmare and her going for a lot of creepy cute elements with her new design and character, I feel somewhat confident that she wanted a significantly different direction for the character she played. Given Council coming out of Omega's idiocy, the talents probably didn't have nearly the agency in defining their characters as Advent and Justice did.

As foretold.
 

ZerroDefex

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Joined:  Mar 17, 2025
Part of the reason I checked out of watching so much Hololive is a lot of the time, talent were busy practicing for a concert, traveling to Japan for it, etc.... I just wanted more a regular streamer, I guess
Yeah part of why I drifted away from HoloEn is because I don't give a damn about concerts and idol stuff, when they started getting more involved in that stuff that was the "end of the era" for me.
 

PleaseCheckYourReceipts

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As foretold.


I randomly thought of it this way when I was thinking about it: Fauna is the type that would want to do a Collab with someone like Wendigoon. That internet lore/deep cut stuff that's popular but really not Brand Friendly. I think that was a primary part of the disconnect. She isn't interested in objectionable content or even edgy stuff, it's just more stuff like True Crime and the like.

I feel like pointing out she's a college educated White Woman in the USA. The True Crime desire should absolutely not be unexpected.
 
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Sithis

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The funniest outcome of this will be if gura graduating correlates with the dodgers going winless this year
 

Smelliest007

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Joined:  Feb 19, 2024
The funniest outcome of this will be if gura graduating correlates with the dodgers going winless this year
Dodgers get sold to another city.
 

NeneLOVE

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Yeah part of why I drifted away from HoloEn is because I don't give a damn about concerts and idol stuff, when they started getting more involved in that stuff that was the "end of the era" for me.
Well that's what Holo is gonna be from now on, that is their niche and it makes them bank.
 

Superduper Samurai

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I randomly thought of it this way when I was thinking about it: Fauna is the type that would want to do a Collab with someone like Wendigoon. That internet lore/deep cut stuff that's popular but really not Brand Friendly. I think that was a primary part of the disconnect. She isn't interested in objectionable content or even edgy stuff, it's just more stuff like True Crime and the like.

I feel like pointing out she's a college educated White Woman in the USA. The True Crime desire should absolutely not be unexpected.
If that were the case i feel like she would've done something like that already, since its not even that high of an effort
i think her only non holo kosher picks (perms issues aside) have been the old wii games out of her recent streams

Wendigoon is arguably also pretty clean for a collab, although ill give you that theres probably no way to know if he was kosher enough for Cover
 

SpringKusa

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Kinda glad I am still not numb to this. In fact, it really hurt like a punch to the stomach.

Good to know I still feel things and that I still care
If I didn't, why does it hurt so much
 

All-Usernames

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Joined:  Sep 12, 2022
Yeah part of why I drifted away from HoloEn is because I don't give a damn about concerts and idol stuff, when they started getting more involved in that stuff that was the "end of the era" for me.
Well that's what Holo is gonna be from now on, that is their niche and it makes them bank.
Ya'll act like they only do concerts.
The pure concert output didn't significantly change since 3(?!)+ years.
If anything it even shrunk in concerts/talent.
It's just that the things that get put out are more grand every year. But the relative time investment didn't change much.
Most of the time they still just stream.
 

PleaseCheckYourReceipts

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If that were the case i feel like she would've done something like that already, since its not even that high of an effort
i think her only non holo kosher picks (perms issues aside) have been the old wii games out of her recent streams

Wendigoon is arguably also pretty clean for a collab, although ill give you that theres probably no way to know if he was kosher enough for Cover
The friction to caused the break and changes after the fact are different things. If she felt "trapped", that emotional friction would be all that mattered. She likely wanted to go a bunch of different directions at different points, got stopped for various reasons (some good, some likely not) and it simply built up over time.

The Wendigoon collab idea mostly exists because the malding from Tenma would be legendary.
 

Saturnus

haha it's unou
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Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
Yeah part of why I drifted away from HoloEn is because I don't give a damn about concerts and idol stuff, when they started getting more involved in that stuff that was the "end of the era" for me.
Mate, I think you have the wrong agency. Nijisanji is 2 blocks and 4 doors down.
:smugselen:
 

Willemshaven

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Joined:  Sep 23, 2023

Koronesuki

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Kinda glad I am still not numb to this. In fact, it really hurt like a punch to the stomach.

Good to know I still feel things and that I still care
If I didn't, why does it hurt so much
I actually felt a little bit sick to my stomach after I found out. I don't know why it should upset me that much when she was never my favorite, but I'm still sad to see her go.
 

tarkanoltr

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Smelliest007

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Void Scribas

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It has always been a balancing act between restrictions and opportunities, I think it was Mio or something that said as much. If you just wanna be a twitch streamer with a gimmick then Holo is probably not for you, but they provide opportunities that nobody else does. Once Holo either can't provide said opportunities or somebody else manages to do so as well with less strings attached then Holo is very much going to be forced to change or die.
Most vtubers could play The Coffin of Andy and Leyley and other "le problematic" games without asking for perm from the company and management themselves, except in Hololive. At the same time, if you join Hololive your song can be the ending of a Gundam anime or the opening or a romcom, or you could perform in an international expo in front of the emperor of Japan. Now should be clear that If you enter in Hololive is because you want to become a superstar, with all the problems and benefits that implies.

She could (not saying she is) theoretically manage a housewife life cooking 2 meals a day and taking care of her kids with that schedule despite streaming twice a day and being one of the more hard-working streamers in holo. (And there are people who put in 3 times the hours korone does, like koyori)

What do you mean theoretically? She is my wife and her meals are delicious.

She literally did though, but not physical health.

Timestamped at 4:07


I've seen many people detail how she's talked about having very big social anxiety, to the point of just sitting down and eating with people leading to her making mistakes and dropping food. She's apparently also talked about the moment a short while after debuting, when she rocketed past absolutely everyone, even her senpais, and became the first to one million, that she felt physically ill at the thought and started vomiting.

It's very clear that Gura is not someone that thrives in the spotlight. Instead it's the complete opposite. She's basically a big ball of anxiety and imposter syndrome.
I've seen people speculate that her frequent breaks could have been attempts to thin out her fanbase, and make people leave for others that streamed more. But if that's the case, it has spectacularly failed, and instead caused a viscous cycle of coming back to stream, get massive amount of attention for being back, get anxiety, and back on break, rinse and repeat.

There can of course be other things also, but this feels like the primary cause of her leaving, and with a full graduation instead of as an affiliate. Staying as an affiliate would still mean pressure that she'd maybe appear at some point. For this reason I also think it's not likely that she'd be very active as an indie either, as it would basically trigger the same "Gura is back!" cycle.

I think it's very likely that, while maybe not immediately, this is where she puts the content creator hat on the shelf for good.


Honestly, Senzawa/Gura abandoning content creation just because of being too popular is too much of a retarded idea. Who abandons working in entertainment because of being successful at it??? It doesn't make sense. I really have to believe that Gura is going to abandon the possibility of being one of the most popular indie vtubers, doing things the way she wants, just to become a wagie????
 

Superduper Samurai

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Honestly, Senzawa/Gura abandoning content creation just because of being too popular is too much of a retarded idea. Who abandons working in entertainment because of being successful at it??? It doesn't make sense. I really have to believe that Gura is going to abandon the possibility of being one of the most popular indie vtubers, doing things the way she wants, just to become a wagie????
answer
woman brainworms

/thread
plus if you invest properly you could probably coast on not having a proper job if you just made bank for 5+ years and invested it wisely
 

KazooKing

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Well that's what Holo is gonna be from now on, that is their niche and it makes them bank.
I'll go one step further: Holo giving the talents goals like sololives, VA roles and other collab deals is what makes their talents actually try to achieve things as a vtuber. If Cover back in 2020 would have just said "ay, 1st fes was probably just a lightning in a bottle, streams are popping off, let's just focus on streams", I wager the audience would have slowly tricked away for more exciting entertainment and the whole company would be akin to Niji. But that's highly impossible after Holocaust and the salting of HoloCN, cutting perms to most gachas and the likes.
 

Phantasm

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Joined:  Nov 28, 2022


Kiara is currently talking about Gura and the recent graduations and from the way she's talking about them she's giving off the impression that this is the last one for now
 

NeneLOVE

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Kiara is currently talking about Gura and the recent graduations and from the way she's talking about them she's giving off the impression that this is the last one for now

You fucking ruined it with your cope 20 more graduations by the end of the year
 

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