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Todd's Strongest Howard · Feb 22, 2025

Sky Shouter said:
@Todd's Strongest Howard she's calling you out, Mr. "paid mods" Howard

I created cancer in gaming specifically to piss off that whore.

Sky Shouter said:
Warhorse says that getting rid of her Discord improved her mental health

GEE I SURE DO WONDER WHY GETTING RID OF DISCORD MAKES THINGS LESS GAY AND LAME, I WONDER IF WE SHOULD DO THE SAME

If anyone gets their mental health bent out of shape by discord, they are weak and probably shouldn't be in entertainment.

Saturnus · Feb 22, 2025

RestlessRain said:
"I can groom the North Korean vtuber," - I don't know who, but I give it an hour.

You could probably unironically save her if you tell her a pickup location by the chinese border and/or off the coast.

NeneLOVE · Feb 22, 2025

Saturnus said:
You could probably unironically save her if you tell her a pickup location by the chinese border and/or off the coast.

You always send her back too if she pisses you off. :SelenHAHAhere:

Jolted Cookies · Feb 22, 2025

Rom Com marathon starting soon

RestlessRain · Feb 22, 2025

Reading a few posts and comments on Twitter that the the Pixel Link buyout offer for the model and social media accounts of $10K is too much. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks of this: is $10K for the model and all social media accounts a fair price, or too expensive?

My personal opinion is that it's a reasonable price, as long as the talents can reasonably afford it. No matter how reasonable Pixel Link is about linking to other accounts, it's better to keep the original account and not risk losing part of your audience changing to new accounts. A high-quality corpo vtuber model could easily be worth $5,000 or more, especially if it's by a well-known artist.

But what does everyone else think about the $10K buyout price?

NeneLOVE · Feb 22, 2025

RestlessRain said:
Reading a few posts and comments on Twitter that the the Pixel Link buyout offer for the model and social media accounts of $10K is too much. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks of this: is $10K for the model and all social media accounts a fair price, or too expensive?

My personal opinion is that it's a reasonable price, as long as the talents can reasonably afford it. No matter how reasonable Pixel Link is about linking to other accounts, it's better to keep the original account and not risk losing part of your audience changing to new accounts. A high-quality corpo vtuber model could easily be worth $5,000 or more, especially if it's by a well-known artist.

But what does everyone else think about the $10K buyout price?

Idk if it's the higher income in the US but I would not fucking buy a bit of animated art for 10k, I'm incredibly tight-fisted though.

Thomas Talus · Feb 22, 2025

RestlessRain said:
Reading a few posts and comments on Twitter that the the Pixel Link buyout offer for the model and social media accounts of $10K is too much. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks of this: is $10K for the model and all social media accounts a fair price, or too expensive?

AFAICT, $10k is not the actual buyout price, it's what one of the talents was seeking to donothon-raise for buyout price AND the costs of the donothon goals' fulfilment.

RestlessRain · Feb 22, 2025

NeneLOVE said:
Idk if it's the higher income in the US but I would not fucking buy a bit of animated art for 10k, I'm incredibly tight-fisted though.

A couple of points - they're in an industry where they need some animated art to have their job to be a vtuber, and having high-quality animated art is more likely to get viewing attention than low-quality animated art (this is not the same as keeping that attention, but getting attention is still important).

They also get the social media accounts, followers, subscribers and paid memberships they have built up over the last year or two as well with the purchase, which has its own value. While the Pixel Link girls can ask their audience to go to an old account, there's no guarantee that the audience will do that, that all of their current subscribers will subscribe to their new account, or that all of their members will renew their membership on the new account. You want to put as few impediments as possible up when asking people to give you money.

NeneLOVE · Feb 22, 2025

RestlessRain said:
A couple of points - they're in an industry where they need some animated art to have their job to be a vtuber, and having high-quality animated art is more likely to get viewing attention than low-quality animated art (this is not the same as keeping that attention, but getting attention is still important).

They also get the social media accounts, followers, subscribers and paid memberships they have built up over the last year or two as well with the purchase, which has its own value. While the Pixel Link girls can ask their audience to go to an old account, there's no guarantee that the audience will do that, that all of their current subscribers will subscribe to their new account, or that all of their members will renew their membership on the new account. You want to put as few impediments as possible up when asking people to give you money.

Are the pixellink models particularly good or just industry standard? I watched the duck girl the other day when she was opening card packs and the model didn't seem much more advanced than a Holo 3.0 or even 2.0 one. It wasn't like one of those 2k dollarinos indie ones where everything bounces all over the place and it has 50 toggles and dynamic animations.

RestlessRain · Feb 22, 2025

NeneLOVE said:
Are the pixellink models particularly good or just industry standard? I watched the duck girl the other day when she was opening card packs and the model didn't seem much more advanced than a Holo 3.0 or even 2.0 one. It wasn't like one of those 2k dollarinos indie ones where everything bounces all over the place and it has 50 toggles and dynamic animations.

An "industry standard" vtuber model costs $5K or more, mainly depending on the fame of the artist. Sakana said some of the Gen 3 Phase Connect models cost $15K (I don't recall if that includes stingers, background art, etc).

frz · Feb 22, 2025

Shuba said:
Mio, Fubu and Lui saw the new Captain America together with Lui and she really liked it She hasn't seen much Marvel movies but she "thought the black guy was cool and the action scenes were really different from usual."

Sasuga japan, just like a movie because of BBC and nothing else

For people don't know how bad the new Captain America is

They tried copying the winter soldier 1 by 1
While making it the sequel of Incredible Hulk
While also trying to fit in the TV show narratives
While also try to fit in X-man and Avengers 5

They make Japan the super power nation that America is going to war against because they didn't want to offend China. But can't stop throwing racist remarks because they know nothing about Japan
One of the villains was introduced as "the smartest guy on earth" but can't stop making retarded moves because the movie director is too dumb to write a smart villain.
E.g one of his master plan is to trap Captain Black America in his hideout and .... send 5 random mercenaries to kill him. Could have at least tried blowing the building up if he's so so smart. But no. Captain Black America is then rescued by a 5' /80 pound woman who can now overpower Military trained mercernaries because has to have woman representation somehow

He had mind control power that he only used once in the entire movie, but no it's not actually a super power. He's just so smart that he can create a smartphone to do it. And he never used it again, ever.

President Ford becomes Red Hulk because of some random pills with "gamma radiation" he has been fed by the "smartest guy in the world". Yes "the smartest guy in the world" now also has the power to create an army of Hulks, but decided not to and just want to fuck with 1 guy only in particular.

Note that in the comics, Red Hulk became Red Hulk because he's literally one of Hulk's main antagonist so obsessed with defeating Hulk that he became one himself.
Red Hulk was supposed to be a more strategical, smart version of Hulk and has the same strength.
In the movie he was a dumbass who actually got soloed by Captain Black America, who's still a normal human btw. When Red Hulk's supposed to be demi-god tier of strength and can easily beat a super serum Steve Rogers because he's as strong as Green Hulk. But anyway new Black Captain America Falcon Antman is now as strong as Thanos/Hulk because of "technology". His Falcon wing is now tankier than Captain's shield and can block Hulk attacks and slice off building/plane/tanks, literally magic. If you call the movie Dr. Strange 3 or Harry Porter: Negro, it would make more sense.

And then the big raging monster who was in every trailer of the movies, got defeated by .... "Looking at a sakura tree planted around the white house" because had to fit another Japanese stereotype in somehow

God's Strongest Dragoon said:
Kataribe Tsumugu's inactivity is noted by her last tweet.

You noted the date of that tweet as 3/11/19. However it only appears to be 3/11/19 if you're in the West. Kataribe Tsumugu is a Japanese talent and at the time that tweet was made, it was 1:16am 3/12/19 in Japan.

I thought I was austistic when I wrote that rant
But you win sir.
Also it was actually 0:16 not 1:16.

NeneLOVE · Feb 22, 2025

RestlessRain said:
An "industry standard" vtuber model costs $5K or more, mainly depending on the fame of the artist.

Does it? Do Holo models cost that fucking much nowadays? I thought they were under 2k... Jesus christ is it just pure demand? Guess I was stuck in like 2021 or something.

RestlessRain said:
Sakana said some of the Gen 3 Phase Connect models cost $15K.

Wtf

With those prices why does anyone become a fucking chuuba? You're just burning money for 0 gain.

RestlessRain · Feb 22, 2025

NeneLOVE said:
Does it? Do Holo models cost that fucking much nowadays? I thought they were under 2k... Jesus christ is it just pure demand?

Wtf

I can't speak specifically for Hololive, but my understanding is that you might get a model rigged for $2K (not the actual art of the model itself). The main issue is the high demand for vtuber models, especially for well-known artists with long wait times.

NeneLOVE said:
With those prices why does anyone become a fucking chuuba? You're just burning money for 0 gain.

Obviously one of the draws of joining a corpo is being able to get a quality model for yourself as part of your activities, especially if you want your art done by a well-known artist.

BioBreak · Feb 22, 2025

NeneLOVE said:
Does it? Do Holo models cost that fucking much nowadays? I thought they were under 2k... Jesus christ is it just pure demand?

Depends on the the artist commissioned for the character design and who rigged it. The ones done by Iron Vertex are notoriously intricately rigged and expensive.

NeneLOVE · Feb 22, 2025

RestlessRain said:
I can't speak specifically for Hololive, but my understanding is that you might get a model rigged for $2K. The main issue is the high demand for vtuber models, especially for well-known artists with long wait times.

I'm guessing prices will go down when the people specializing in vtuber art today get talented and famous enough in a few years.

BioBreak said:
Depends on the the artist commissioned for the character design and who rigged it. The ones done by Iron Vertex are notoriously intricately rigged and expensive.

Well iron vertex are the cream of the crop, at least in EN. Working for Holo and Vshojo regularly has to give you some clout... and allow you to inflate your prices.

RestlessRain · Feb 22, 2025

NeneLOVE said:
I'm guessing prices will go down when the people specializing in vtuber art today get talented and famous enough in a few years.

I'd say the opposite, actually - well-known artists can charge more because more people want their products, and they can draw in potential viewers who will want to see that artist's work.

NeneLOVE · Feb 22, 2025

RestlessRain said:
I'd say the opposite, actually - well-known artists can charge more because more people want their products, and they can draw in potential viewers who will want to see that artist's work.

I forgot art thrives on popularity not practicality, silly me.

USS IOWA · Feb 22, 2025

Oh yeah in other news. Lil Nas X took a selfie with Holocosplayers and Gigi seems happy with it.

Unseiso Dragon · Feb 22, 2025

Negzana said:
I love that I live in America where I get to actually criticize the shit my government does and not some one party state where I have to tow the party line publicly.

Man cut our Eurofags some slack, will ya?

Shuba said:
snip

Excluding Mio of course, but

God's Strongest Wardog said:
Ass duty has turned up a whole lot of nothing.

Honestly she should take her cat to the vet at this point, at best the cat could have the ribbon blocked in its digestive tracts, at worst one end could be stuck inside while the other peeks its tip out of the cat's rectum so trying to pull it out will result in… you know.

Todd's Strongest Howard · Feb 22, 2025

RestlessRain said:
Reading a few posts and comments on Twitter that the the Pixel Link buyout offer for the model and social media accounts of $10K is too much. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks of this: is $10K for the model and all social media accounts a fair price, or too expensive?

My personal opinion is that it's a reasonable price, as long as the talents can reasonably afford it. No matter how reasonable Pixel Link is about linking to other accounts, it's better to keep the original account and not risk losing part of your audience changing to new accounts. A high-quality corpo vtuber model could easily be worth $5,000 or more, especially if it's by a well-known artist.

But what does everyone else think about the $10K buyout price?

I would return a set of questions of my own: How much does the character IP make me in a month of use? How much do I make from the streaming, channel income from superchats/memberships, how much merch do I sell as the identity? Sponsorship potential from companies associated with some facet of my content identity? What would my niche growth potentially be like if I'm not having to bend to a corporate overwatch? How much does a model of similar quality cost to purchase for a fresh start?

If I could realistically make the income to pay off a $10k buy-in inside of 3 months I'd take it. It's not like I'm immediately paying it off but I have enough cash flow that it's not bleeding me for a year, and if I've got that kind of an audience already with the potential to grow in a new direction after I'm separated from corporate control, could be worthwhile to take the shot instead of shedding numbers by ditching an identity that's already gained the traction it has. There are certainly always people that would follow me regardless of the model because they like the content I do, but it's undeniable that there's always some kind of loss from model-switching.

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