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Bar3ly Promis3
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"We're all that's left" is not the most optimist generation label.

[ - IBK - ] would be dope as hell.

 

[tarkanoltr]

 

[Smelliest007]

Shiori birthday soon.

 

[mismatch]

That song kinda sounded like a mess? Cool MV though.

 

[Yume Dark]

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Neat song! I like that they went with a jazzy tune, and the MV had some good animation. Lots of good shots of the girls looking pensive and conflicted.

 

[Smelliest007]

I don't want to celebrate my unbirthday with Dora Shiori...

 

[Aka Split]

Did Kronii bring her xbox mic with her?

That's just her natural voice.
I feel like I've seen a similar gag in a few places before. Like someone goes to a drive thru and can't understand through the speaker, then they pull up to the window and the persons voice in real life is still all staticy and muffled.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

I don't want to celebrate my unbirthday with Dora Shiori...

She is hunting for cutlery, is this a dig at Doki?

 

[White Stone]

There's a difference between things like selling standard VTuber merch and putting a talent front-and-center as the face of your company when it's clear she's burnt out and brainwormed over her numbers. When she's on break #40 and openly saying how she's suffering from burnout and her success has her rattled, that might not be the time to come to her with the next major event or corporate brand deal you want her to be a part of if you don't want to completely drive her away.

As fun as the Dodger's thing was, you know that shit didn't help matters on Gura's end. It's been discussed to death, so I'm not going to dredge it up again, but Gura's departure was very much on Cover. Holo fans can cope all they want about what "disagreements with management and company direction" actually means, but it's pretty clear to anyone listening, especially with how emotional she was, this was a case of "I didn't leave the company, the company left me." When your biggest name can walk out any time she wants, one would think you wouldn't want to accelerate her chances of doing that, and would attempt to accommodate her. It goes beyond her lack of streaming, because she's not even the only Holomem to start streaming less. Ayame's streaming schedule became a meme, after all.

tl;dr if you have a major talent in your roster freaking out about their status, and you accelerate that status, you're gonna drive them away, and it's on you.

I think I already said this in one of my past comments. But during HoloTalk, Gura said 2 things that stuck out to me:
1. she was grateful of the opportunities given to her (presumably referring to all the collabs like Dodgers) and wouldn't want it any other way
2. she was grateful of having faced the hardships due to her popularity

I don't think she hates being "popular" as much as people like to claim she is. Ultimately, the reason she provided for graduating was still "disagreement with management and company direction".

Some even seem to have emotionally threw Gura in the trash and replaced her with Fuwamoco.

I have been seeing Advent fans trying to "push" Fuwamoco and Biboo to replace Gura as the "face" of EN since like a year back. I wonder how they feel when they choose Calli as the new face instead (referring to the official website).

 

[I Wanna Die]

I'm like 50 pages behind on this thread but Shiori's Birthday 3D outfit fits her very well. Merch is great too but between the increase in shipping and the tariff costs I'll have to pass this time around.

 

[Yume Dark]

I'm like 50 pages behind on this thread but Shiori's Birthday 3D outfit fits her very well. Merch is great too but between the increase in shipping and the tariff costs I'll have to pass this time around.

I bought the Novelite plushie!

My wallet's gonna hate me for it, but at least I have some money saved up, lol.

 

[ValkyrieAce]

Well this is unexpected.

 

[Scoots]

Evil sang Ash Again

 

[Phantasm]

Is Fuwamoco's schedule correct and they're going to be doing a horror marathon in a couple of hours just after their Minecraft stream

Spoiler: Fuwamoco Streams

 

[La+ de Central Norte]

GOZARU IS BACK

 

[JusticeDog]

Is Fuwamoco's schedule correct and they're going to be doing a horror marathon in a couple of hours just after their Minecraft stream

Spoiler: Fuwamoco Streams

Damn you, JP hours.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

So I've been having a fun little adventure lately thanks to some glitched out shit on twitter. Recently I posted this little dig at Cover Corp on the AO account...



Eventually I moved on from caring about it and muted it. But some intern over in Elon Town dotted the wrong I or some shit and now muting a tweet no longer stops notifications for quote tweets, so I've become inundated with shitloads of barely literate, 20-follower zoomer accounts giving their hottest of hot takes that I can't stop from flooding my mentions. This shit's made the AO account nigh-unusable. But that's just momentarily annoying. Here's what I find really interesting:

I knew Hololive had Nintendo-esque loyalists way too parasocial not just with the VTubers, but the company itself (YAGOO is best girl, and all that), so them being angry I dared to criticize Cover, that doesn't shock me. What I did find surprising is the amount of responses that seem to be shitting on Gura for not being willing to do what was "expected" of her by Hololive. Some even seem to have emotionally threw Gura in the trash and replaced her with Fuwamoco.

Is this a more prevalent sentiment than I expected? Is this just a thing now? Where it's not about your oshi anymore, but the company? All loyalty to the corporation, not the talents?! I expected the ESL "how dare you"s but this really caught me off guard.

Fan bases can feel betrayed. Gura said multiple times she was going to be streaming more and then just didn't. There's going to be some resentment, beyond just the fact the post got enough traction that a huge chunk of the replies are just amplifying one random response.

Also, it's important to remember that the Holomems keep a pretty solid veil on a lot of information extremely effectively. The official line is the official line far more for contractual reasons than anything else.

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Huh, this is the 2nd time the multi-quote function broke on your posts for me. Weird.

I can't wait for her to come back and get like two hundred thousand live viewers suddenly realize her fame will follow her wherever she goes and then she fucks back off and does whatever the fuck she's already been doing besides streaming

I think she'll end up doing 1 stream and then we'll never see her again.

GOZARU IS BACK

We so back, boys.

 

[LurkerD]

I think she'll end up doing 1 stream and then we'll never see her again.

I don't think she is ever gonna come back as a steamer on her own channel. My theory ( and i know their is a lot of cope in this) is she will do her own random projects, drop them on her channel when she feels like it, and occasionally collab with other like Nimi or Dooby on their channels, i don't think the Senzawa channel (or a new one) will ever see a stream itself. She may never even have a debut, just show up when Nimi's playing a group game and act like nothings happening.

that's the good stuff.

 

[Hff201]

That song kinda sounded like a mess? Cool MV though.

That's how jazz arrangements tend to be. I quite like it, but I can appreciate it not being for everyone.

 

[Tubedude]

It goes beyond streaming. I brought up the Dodgers for a reason.

Also if you're going to say Cover didn't drive her away when management and company direction were the exact reasons she specified for leaving, I don't know what to tell you.


No, yes, no.

"We have this mega-popular talent who brings us lots of money, but she's also on an emotional knife-edge regarding her popularity. She's in a state where she could leave at any time over this, what do we do?"
"Put her on the jumbotron at Dodger's Stadium"

You have two options with a talent like Gura. Long-term and short-term. Long-term is to accommodate the fact she's openly uncomfortable with being the face of EN VTubing and scale back her presence as the face of your brand. Or you take the short-term and milk the shit out of her for every penny you can until she leaves. Cover chose the latter. You can argue if that's the right choice or not, but it is their choice.

Your position relies on the assumption that the appearances and sponsorships with Gura went like this:

Cover: "Gura, we have a sponsorship that wants you, go do it immediately"
Gura: *Depressedly* "Okay, I'll do it"

Instead of the possible:

Cover: "Gura, we have this sponsorship offer, they'd like one of our large talents and since you're the largest we're offering it to you first"
Gura: "Okay, I'll do this one"

We straight up don't know how it is behind the scenes, but since Gura was not slapped everywhere as much as she could've been, personally I'm leaning towards it being closer to the second. Yes Cover maybe could've looked into something to help with Gura's slump, but again, maybe they tried a lot of things we just don't know about. Maybe they did nothing and decided to let her sort her feelings out. Further if Cover did try to help there's no guarantee that Gura accepted said help, one can't get better unless they themselves try to. We don't and can't know what went on, unless Gura/Senzawa reappears and spills all.