The Virtual Asylum Gets First Hitpiece, VICE Attempts Chuubagate

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VICE's coverage of Kirsche is absolutely actionable defamation, and I'm certain that if it came to it, her fans would be able to crowdfund any and all legal costs she faced immediately. Just something to think about.

I'd prefer her not have to shed her anonymity to defend herself through legal means, but a very public and costly loss on VICE's part would set an excellent precedent in scaring media outlets into doing a better job of vetting their reporters, rather than letting anyone with an axe to grind use their publication as a platform to post libel.

 

[RestlessRain]

 

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Very straight and to the point. Professional foxu.
It's probably optimistic to think this will change anything (until the lawyer actually comes knocking) but who knows?

I think Kirsche could very easily fundraise the legal costs necessary, all other negatives of legal action considered. Lots of people ready to throw support behind her. Hopefully Valens internalizes that before questions of personal information need to come in.

 

[RestlessRain]

VICE's coverage of Kirsche is absolutely actionable defamation, and I'm certain that if it came to it, her fans would be able to crowdfund any and all legal costs she faced immediately. Just something to think about.

I'd prefer her not have to shed her anonymity to defend herself through legal means, but a very public and costly loss on VICE's part would set an excellent precedent in scaring media outlets into doing a better job of vetting their reporters, rather than letting anyone with an axe to grind use their publication as a platform to post libel.

It's not that Ana Valens is a creepy fuck with an axe to grind (although he totally is), but that at least one other person, if not multiple people at Vice Media read the article and approved it for publication, and thought it appropriate to use their publication to call someone a Nazi with no evidence. This isn't an issue for one person but a systemic issue at the publication.

But it sounds like Kirsche would be quite happy with a retraction and apology. It's a lot easier and less costly than a lawsuit and still gives Kirsche what she wants.

 

[Negronald Trump]

Let me just say...

Anal Violence sees someone reading his tweets:

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Anal Violence playing Fall Guys with a vibe up his ass:

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Anal Violence reading his "breeding cis women" fanfic:

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Anal Violence seeing Kirsche is about to sue him and Vice:

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Anal Violence discovering Kirsche is a fat, Bostonian woman:

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Anal Violence in a nutshell:

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[dkn2038]

Let me just say...

Anal Violence sees someone reading his tweets:

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Anal Violence playing Fall Guys with a vibe up his ass:

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Anal Violence reading his "breeding cis women" fanfic:

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Anal Violence seeing Kirsche is about to sue him and Vice:

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Anal Violence discovering Kirsche is a fat, Bostonian woman:

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Me, discovering kirsche is a fat woman

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

I'd prefer her not have to shed her anonymity to defend herself through legal means, but a very public and costly loss on VICE's part would set an excellent precedent in scaring media outlets into doing a better job of vetting their reporters, rather than letting anyone with an axe to grind use their publication as a platform to post libel.

lolno

These things aren't new. Lawsuits haven't solved them in several centuries. Catherine O'Leary (as a classic example) never saw justice, and in the exceedingly rare cases where the backlash actually does result in a successful court case (e.g. Sandy Hooks families vs. Alex Jones), it takes a decade just to get a verdict. And then more time, still measured in years, to enforce it. If at all.

VICE is safe (well, beyond its bankrupcy from lack of income). The one thing that is realistically achievable (but by no means guaranteed) is VICE dropping Phil. That's it.

Fucking with Phil is worthwhile. Trying to get VICE is a fantasy guaranteed to end in frustration and failure.

 

[Negronald Trump]

Me, discovering kirsche is a fat woman

Proctor, discovering Kirsche is a woman:

 

[Hff201]

It's not that Ana Valens is a creepy fuck (although he totally is), but that at least one other person, if not multiple people at Vice Media read the article and approved it for publication, and thought it appropriate to use their publication to call someone a Nazi with no evidence. This isn't an issue for one person but a systemic issue at the publication.

But it sounds like Kirsche would be quite happy with a retraction and apology. It's a lot easier and less costly than a lawsuit and still gives Kirsche what she wants.

The problem is that, especially nowadays since a lot of publications are just traded around as assets, journalists are mostly left to their own devices as long as they bring in enough pageviews to earn their keep. Editors are glorified spellcheckers at best with little involvement in the actual reporting, just assuming the journalists have either fact-checked it themselves, or that the subject probably can't be arsed to sue.

There's been some recent outrage about Polygon being purchased by a company who intend to gut out the reporters in favour of AI-generated listicles and other low-effort clickbait, but really all that's happening is they're cutting out the middleman. It hasn't been important for a publication to maintain any kind of reputation in a very long time now since they are replaceable entities belonging to parent companies who are just there for the passive income. Whoever signed off on the Kirsche hitpieces likely has no interest in finding out anything about her, they just know that screenshotting reddit posts calling her racist brings in pageviews; in the same way other slop rags don't care if their ChatGPT Top 10 Things to Do This Summer article is full of awkward grammar, because Facebook mums will click on it anyway.

lolno

These things aren't new. Lawsuits haven't solved them in several centuries. Catherine O'Leary (as a classic example) never saw justice, and in the exceedingly rare cases where the backlash actually does result in a successful court case (e.g. Sandy Hooks families vs. Alex Jones), it takes a decade just to get a verdict. And then more time, still measured in years, to enforce it. If at all.

VICE is safe (well, beyond its bankrupcy from lack of income). The one thing that is realistically achievable (but by no means guaranteed) is VICE dropping Phil. That's it.

Fucking with Phil is worthwhile. Trying to get VICE is a fantasy guaranteed to end in frustration and failure.

It won't set a precedent against reporting libel overall, that's stupid, it's a major business model of most mainstream outlets. What it will set a precedent for is that it fucking around in this particular sector comes with legal expenses - and it encourages them to keep their distance not just from Mr. Valens himself, but with the hundreds of other seething retards who want to own the chud vtubers just like him. It sends the message that they're an inconvenience that can easily be avoided by not associating with them in the first place.

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

I think it will be very funny

 

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I didn't realize that was Vice's actual business location in the video attached, lmfao. It's New York, right? I guess expect the thing to be stolen (...or shot/stabbed) before daylight, and nobody will read it. That's even putting aside the political twats ready to go shred it at 5:00AM. RIP letter.

It won't set a precedent against reporting libel overall, that's stupid, it's a major business model of most mainstream outlets. What it will set a precedent for is that it fucking around in this particular sector comes with legal expenses - and it encourages them to keep their distance not just from Mr. Valens himself, but with the hundreds of other seething retards who want to own the chud vtubers just like him. It sends the message that they're an inconvenience that can easily be avoided by not associating with them in the first place.

I mean, they explicitly wanted ChuubaGate. They can have their ChuubaGate. Totally right and reasonable that it can have some positive effects without impacting journalism everywhere.

As far as Valens, I think legal action would certainly be more costly for Vice than removing the articles. They don't even have to get to firing people to make a difference as a result of legal threat, which is what Kirsche asked, just take the articles down.

 

[God's Saddest Tattletail]

TL;DR - "One day our patience will run out and Vice's insolent lying mouths shall be shut for them!"

 

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[God's Saddest Tattletail]

I didn't realize that was Vice's actual business location in the video attached, lmfao. It's New York, right? I guess expect the thing to be stolen (...or shot/stabbed) before daylight, and nobody will read it. That's even putting aside the political twats ready to go shred it at 5:00AM. RIP letter.


I mean, they explicitly wanted ChuubaGate. They can have their ChuubaGate.

Do you want total war ChuubaGate?!

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Fuck I wish i would have seen the Kirsche edit before I made my post...

 

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Do you want total war ChuubaGate?!

In the sense GamerGate did not go very well for the Game Journalist and they are writing a self-fulfilling prophecy by trying to name it ChuubaGate when it is even lamer and more impotent. There is no "VTuber Journalist" and a repetition of GamerGate's effects would just kinda... make that even more true somehow.

Like everyone else I just wanna watch anime girls do quirky streams. I don't want ChuubaGate.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

VICE's coverage of Kirsche is absolutely actionable defamation, and I'm certain that if it came to it, her fans would be able to crowdfund any and all legal costs she faced immediately. Just something to think about.

I'd prefer her not have to shed her anonymity to defend herself through legal means, but a very public and costly loss on VICE's part would set an excellent precedent in scaring media outlets into doing a better job of vetting their reporters, rather than letting anyone with an axe to grind use their publication as a platform to post libel.

Very straight and to the point. Professional foxu.
It's probably optimistic to think this will change anything (until the lawyer actually comes knocking) but who knows?

I think Kirsche could very easily fundraise the legal costs necessary, all other negatives of legal action considered. Lots of people ready to throw support behind her. Hopefully Valens internalizes that before questions of personal information need to come in.

It's not that Ana Valens is a creepy fuck with an axe to grind (although he totally is), but that at least one other person, if not multiple people at Vice Media read the article and approved it for publication, and thought it appropriate to use their publication to call someone a Nazi with no evidence. This isn't an issue for one person but a systemic issue at the publication.

But it sounds like Kirsche would be quite happy with a retraction and apology. It's a lot easier and less costly than a lawsuit and still gives Kirsche what she wants.

lolno

These things aren't new. Lawsuits haven't solved them in several centuries. Catherine O'Leary (as a classic example) never saw justice, and in the exceedingly rare cases where the backlash actually does result in a successful court case (e.g. Sandy Hooks families vs. Alex Jones), it takes a decade just to get a verdict. And then more time, still measured in years, to enforce it. If at all.

VICE is safe (well, beyond its bankrupcy from lack of income). The one thing that is realistically achievable (but by no means guaranteed) is VICE dropping Phil. That's it.

Fucking with Phil is worthwhile. Trying to get VICE is a fantasy guaranteed to end in frustration and failure.

She does have actionable Defamation with Malice, but I don't know the NY codes on the matter or its case law. (In the States, it can be a wild time depending on jurisdictions. Calling a Woman a whore is actually actionable defamation in Texas, lol.) But that's absolutely not the play. It's recon the corporate structure and the advertisers, then start politely asking very severe questions. Legal acts like a wall, so the play is always to go around said wall. There's so many "surfaces" to be addressed in the matter, it's exactly why I don't want this to escalate. Because if they actually are dumb enough to go after Pippa, what could flow out of the Discords isn't a space we want to get to.

I also really, truly, absolutely do not want to know Phil's sexual history, but I damn well know that's wholly capable of being tracked down.

Also, Kirsche does have an older fan base, so there tends to be a lot more capabilities available just by asking.

 

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Damn, fox lady has hands. Hope it doesn't come to it for her sake (cost and whatnot) but I can't see anything good coming of this for Vice if they don't fold. Ana is a walking disaster area that any half decent lawyer would love to get their hands on.

 

[MerelyTourist]

She does have actionable Defamation with Malice, but I don't know the NY codes on the matter or its case law. (In the States, it can be a wild time depending on jurisdictions. Calling a Woman a whore is actually actionable defamation in Texas, lol.) But that's absolutely not the play. It's recon the corporate structure and the advertisers, then start politely asking very severe questions. Legal acts like a wall, so the play is always to go around said wall. There's so many "surfaces" to be addressed in the matter, it's exactly why I don't want this to escalate. Because if they actually are dumb enough to go after Pippa, what could flow out of the Discords isn't a space we want to get to.

Not worth it as individual. Vice absolutely will doxx her the second they got case filing and will drag out the case for years.
Maaaaaybe if she'll get gsupps or mythic to file on her behalf, but only if they have in-house lawyers with free time.
Essentially, it's a case of wasting money for the sole purpose of annoying the other party and making them waste money, hopefully much more than you.

 

[God's Strongest Dragoon]

Me, discovering kirsche is a fat woman

You missed a whole asylum story arc where someone here called her fat and I used the opportunity to feign outrage over the shitshow so I could pretend to disappear but in reality I was masquerading as an ESL Italian for months while I was secretly working on the Nolan OP to post when I revealed myself on Christmas, only to be upstaged by Nijisanji going total retard war with Dokibird over a music video on the same day.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

Not worth it as individual. Vice absolutely will doxx her the second they got case filing and will drag out the case for years.
Maaaaaybe if she'll get gsupps or mythic to file on her behalf, but only if they have in-house lawyers with free time.
Essentially, it's a case of wasting money for the sole purpose of annoying the other party and making them waste money, hopefully much more than you.

If it was in the UK, it'd be worth it, but it's generally not to the point that's true in the States. Which is precisely why I hope this doesn't escalate, otherwise tracking down Phil's high school classmates for the horror stories enters the fray. And you know someone will have knowledge of the types of stories none of us want to ever consider.

In unrelated historical retrospectives, a bunch of the "Game Journalists" around the GG time got arrested in CP stings. Weird, that.