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Zizara

No faith in Humanity
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Joined:  Oct 30, 2022
Considering she was harassed, kicked out of her last group, and assaulted. I think she has the most mental fortitude with dealing with both the Idol and streamer life, As ironic as that sounds.
Or just low enough self-esteem that she doesn't care because she doesn't believe she can do any better. Kiara's a bit like that meme people used to post about Pomu still streaming at Nijisanji 20 years from now after the rest of the company imploded. Of course while things did get bad enough at Niji for even Pomu to leave, and Holo has had a similar blowout in the past from company incompetence, I'd really like to believe things aren't that bad at the company again even if it's changed enough for so many of the other girls to not consider it worth staying.
 

Void Scribas

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Joined:  Apr 27, 2024
My third idea is the mixed bag explanation, in which there were a handful of unhappy talents that all got inspired or pushed to quit by each other, in this case the true reasoning for quitting could be many things, from health issues, to project cancellation to burnout to wanting to advance their career. Which is honestly the most likely to me. I have begun believing that Aqua in particular broke something within the internal culture of the company, maybe people were afraid to leave before because of peer pressure or they thought they wouldn't succeed without Holo, and her leaving was just the push many of these girls needed to finally pull the trigger.
That explanation is too reasonable and make too much sense so im going to ignore it and go with EVERYONE IS PREGNANT theory
 

agility_

We have some serious streams to discuss 🔨
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Joined:  Sep 14, 2022
Now I would like to address the reaction. Note that I'm not specifically referring to you guys, but the general vtuber community. I didn't bother to look at twitter or reddit, but I'm assuming that there is currently a lot of "management bad, cover bad, agency bad" sentiment going around because of "disagreement with management" reason. I wonder if many of them come from the same bunch of people who have been shitting on Gura for the past few years for her inactivity. If yes, they sure change their tune real quick all because of one single line from the announcement.

I just wanted to point out, for the crap that Cover will get for being inept taskmasters, they still, currently employ 66 functioning vtubers, across several different countries, who do stream and who also regularly showcase interest in the activities they perform. That's a pretty good turnover rate any way you slice it.
 

God's Strongest Dragoon

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Joined:  Mar 20, 2023
Well, looks like Gura posted her new schedule
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Some Guy Who Reads

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Joined:  Jan 8, 2024
Not to be too much of a homosexual about things, but my brain decided that My Immortal was a fitting tune to have playing on the ol' mental jukebox, and honestly, it's more fitting than even I thought at first. I'm not really mourning her leaving; I'm mourning all the wasted years and lost time that came from whatever neurosis paralyzed her for the last two years and made her continued state of limbo more a curse than a blessing. I mostly feel sorry for Mori, Kiara, and Ina; losing Ame sucked for sure, but at least we all had the cope that "Affiliate" counted for something, this definitively ends those delusions, and formally slams the book shut on the the golden age of EN Vtuber Corpo dominance (no Vshojo you don't count and I say that as a fan of Haruka and Henya). I wish all the girls well, but I think for me this is a good time to reevaluate how much time and energy I put into this hobby.

Thanks for everything, Gura. Whatever you've been up to the last few years, I hope it brought you as much joy as you brought us for the first few. Godspeed.
 

NobodyImportant

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Joined:  Nov 21, 2022
Edit2: I'm also surprised she didn't bring up anything about health issue at all. I wonder if she never had any chronic illness in the first place. She only alluded to "the outside world being too much" when it comes to her past disappearance(s).
She literally did though, but not physical health.

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It was incredibly exciting, but also very intense, and unexpected to be surrounded by so many eyes and expectations. I remember there being many days where the stress was so overwhelming that I couldn't eat, or keep food down.
I've seen many people detail how she's talked about having very big social anxiety, to the point of just sitting down and eating with people leading to her making mistakes and dropping food. She's apparently also talked about the moment a short while after debuting, when she rocketed past absolutely everyone, even her senpais, and became the first to one million, that she felt physically ill at the thought and started vomiting.

It's very clear that Gura is not someone that thrives in the spotlight. Instead it's the complete opposite. She's basically a big ball of anxiety and imposter syndrome.
I've seen people speculate that her frequent breaks could have been attempts to thin out her fanbase, and make people leave for others that streamed more. But if that's the case, it has spectacularly failed, and instead caused a viscous cycle of coming back to stream, get massive amount of attention for being back, get anxiety, and back on break, rinse and repeat.

There can of course be other things also, but this feels like the primary cause of her leaving, and with a full graduation instead of as an affiliate. Staying as an affiliate would still mean pressure that she'd maybe appear at some point. For this reason I also think it's not likely that she'd be very active as an indie either, as it would basically trigger the same "Gura is back!" cycle.

I think it's very likely that, while maybe not immediately, this is where she puts the content creator hat on the shelf for good.
 

Koronesuki

X-Potato
Joined:  Oct 1, 2023
I think it's very likely that, while maybe not immediately, this is where she puts the content creator hat on the shelf for good.
I think so too. It's a shame, because she's very talented, and obviously enjoys doing it very much, but I think she'd have been much happier if she hadn't been so successful.
 

Aquatic Novellite

Merry Shiorin
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Joined:  Oct 10, 2022
Or just low enough self-esteem that she doesn't care because she doesn't believe she can do any better. Kiara's a bit like that meme people used to post about Pomu still streaming at Nijisanji 20 years from now after the rest of the company imploded. Of course while things did get bad enough at Niji for even Pomu to leave, and Holo has had a similar blowout in the past from company incompetence, I'd really like to believe things aren't that bad at the company again even if it's changed enough for so many of the other girls to not consider it worth staying.
Kiara tends to be pretty outspoken about bad management, and her simps here have posted about her talking about considering graduation in memberstreams twice (2023 and 2024, IIRC).

She's not the last one to close the door type, and I'd argue that her being argumentative rather than downtrodden actually helps her to get shit done (compare her original song output to Gura's). If you're beaten down and give up rather than fight for it, then you don't produce original songs and eventually graduate.

Gura gave up precisely because she's naturally less inclined to fight for it than Kiara and more inclined to simply keep her head down and give up if she encounters difficulties (as distinct from resistance).

The stories about her issues with the mixer for one of her projects also suggest that she's aiming for perfection rather than taking what she can get, which isn't terribly conductive to output, either. For that matter, it's the project killer. Doing it good enough gets shit done, aiming for perfection just leads to lots of half finished could've beens.
 

Hotdogs Aplenty

King Shiori Poster & Watcher
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Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
Kiara tends to be pretty outspoken about bad management, and her simps here have posted about her talking about considering graduation in memberstreams twice (2023 and 2024, IIRC).

She's not the last one to close the door type, and I'd argue that her being argumentative rather than downtrodden actually helps her to get shit done (compare her original song output to Gura's). If you're beaten down and give up rather than fight for it, then you don't produce original songs and eventually graduate.

Gura gave up precisely because she's naturally less inclined to fight for it than Kiara and more inclined to simply keep her head down and give up if she encounters difficulties (as distinct from resistance).

The stories about her issues with the mixer for one of her projects also suggest that she's aiming for perfection rather than taking what she can get, which isn't terribly conductive to output, either. For that matter, it's the project killer. Doing it good enough gets shit done, aiming for perfection just leads to lots of half finished could've beens.
Perfection is the enemy of good, as they say.
 

Pencilfreak

OG Pomu fan and former nijisister
Joined:  Jan 23, 2024

Shuba

MPP
Early Adopter
Gods Strongest Subatomo
Joined:  Oct 22, 2022
Gen 2 will be playing UNO together in an hour. This will be their first collab together since goddamn December 2022:


I probably said it before, but it's been great to see how much better Subaru is handling Shion's graduation. She's been far more open about her feelings and more willing to hang out with Shion on stream. They've already chatted a few times since the announcement and despite how it's still hurting her, you can tell the duck wants to make whatever memories she can before the last day. It's like night and day versus the depressing silence during Aqua's final weeks. I'm just happy that Subaru learned so much from that experience and used it as a way forward, in spite how miserable it was for her.

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Their last collab was almost 3 years ago but it felt like they hung out every day. Definitely needed these blessed vibes today. It was nice to be reminded of how magical they can be when they actually get together. There wasn't even time for sad woman tears cause it was pure non-stop laughter and salt.
 

KazooKing

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Joined:  May 6, 2024
Kiara tends to be pretty outspoken about bad management, and her simps here have posted about her talking about considering graduation in memberstreams twice (2023 and 2024, IIRC).
Thrice, actually. She was very down on motivation in the first year (the so-called golden age), and she has said that she was close to throwing in the towel back then. I'm pretty sure that if Sparks failed to become a hit, Kiara would have walked away.
 

White Stone

A literal white stone
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Joined:  Sep 12, 2022
It's very clear that Gura is not someone that thrives in the spotlight. Instead it's the complete opposite. She's basically a big ball of anxiety and imposter syndrome.
That has always been obvious for anyone who has paid any attention to her. Hence I have no idea how did the rrat about her overlapping streams because she "was afraid of losing fans" even started.
She's not the last one to close the door type, and I'd argue that her being argumentative rather than downtrodden actually helps her to get shit done (compare her original song output to Gura's). If you're beaten down and give up rather than fight for it, then you don't produce original songs and eventually graduate.
The stories about her issues with the mixer for one of her projects also suggest that she's aiming for perfection rather than taking what she can get, which isn't terribly conductive to output, either. For that matter, it's the project killer. Doing it good enough gets shit done, aiming for perfection just leads to lots of half finished could've beens.
I still remember that right after Reflect was released (back in 2021), she made a member post assuring us that "this is just the beginning of my music journey". WTF has happened since then? :gunpeko:
I think it's very likely that, while maybe not immediately, this is where she puts the content creator hat on the shelf for good.
....I shall continue to cope for now.
 

Punished Anime Discusser

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Joined:  Sep 12, 2022
Thrice, actually. She was very down on motivation in the first year (the so-called golden age), and she has said that she was close to throwing in the towel back then. I'm pretty sure that if Sparks failed to become a hit, Kiara would have walked away.
Very similar case with Mori. Outright said yesterday that she was very close to quitting for almost the entire first two years and going back being a dollar general wagie, but that things ended up getting better and that she loves what she's doing right now.
 

Poyoyo & Jill

KAWAYO
Joined:  Jul 9, 2023
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Their last collab was almost 3 years ago but it felt like they hung out every day. Definitely needed these blessed vibes today. It was nice to be reminded of how magical they can be when they actually get together. There wasn't even time for sad woman tears cause it was pure non-stop laughter and salt.
I never tought Ayamer smiling would make me sad :(
 

Sankisei

HOLOLIVE SAIKYO
Joined:  Feb 23, 2023
Or just low enough self-esteem that she doesn't care because she doesn't believe she can do any better. Kiara's a bit like that meme people used to post about Pomu still streaming at Nijisanji 20 years from now after the rest of the company imploded. Of course while things did get bad enough at Niji for even Pomu to leave, and Holo has had a similar blowout in the past from company incompetence, I'd really like to believe things aren't that bad at the company again even if it's changed enough for so many of the other girls to not consider it worth staying.
Kiara already worked with an Idol Japanese company so she problaby knows how big their retardation is already
 

Pencilfreak

OG Pomu fan and former nijisister
Joined:  Jan 23, 2024

Smelliest007

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tragic amphibian

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I've seen many people detail how she's talked about having very big social anxiety, to the point of just sitting down and eating with people leading to her making mistakes and dropping food. She's apparently also talked about the moment a short while after debuting, when she rocketed past absolutely everyone, even her senpais, and became the first to one million, that she felt physically ill at the thought and started vomiting.

It's very clear that Gura is not someone that thrives in the spotlight. Instead it's the complete opposite. She's basically a big ball of anxiety and imposter syndrome.
I've seen people speculate that her frequent breaks could have been attempts to thin out her fanbase, and make people leave for others that streamed more. But if that's the case, it has spectacularly failed, and instead caused a viscous cycle of coming back to stream, get massive amount of attention for being back, get anxiety, and back on break, rinse and repeat.
I think this is pretty much the template for all of the graduations other than Fauna*: physical or mental health issues. Pretty much everyone that had done low amounts of streaming over the last 2 years are also the talents that have admitted to having major anxiety. As Cover transitioned from being just a streaming company to being a big performance and brand engine, it's natural that the folks who have the worst anxiety would shrivel in the process. (I mean, two of the biggest faces of Holo were Aqua and Gura, a pair of anxiety singularities) Whether this is intentional house-cleaning or the result of Aqua having given people the feeling that it's alright to leave, the talents who are emotionally (Aqua, Shion, Ame, Gura), physically (Mumei, Chloe), or organizationally (Also Chloe) unable to deal with the structure and pace of a corporate job are leaving and I think that's a good thing.

First, it's cutting the deadwood from the tree. It sucks for fans and it's a shame that it kills valuable IPs, but it also prevents people from clinging to a single minimally active talent and not branching out. This also keeps brands from seeking out big but inactive talents for collaborations and other sorts of administrative churn that wastes time. Second, it's protecting the company culture/camaraderie. If there are big but inactive talents that are being catered to or coddled by management, that can breed resentment among folks who are putting in the time and work. Given that Cover seems to lack the internal cattiness and backbiting that many of these corpos have, this is of paramount importance. Third, it sends a message about expectations to future hires in terms of the activity level that is required for a Cover talent. I think management has gone above and beyond what is expected and required of them to allow talents, with even extenuating mental and physical circumstances, to be so inactive for so long. Finally, I really hope this is a chance for these women to get the help they need to live better since remaining in this situation isn't doing their health any favors.

It's a shame to see Goob go because she's a top notch talent. More than likely, she's done all of the right things in terms of therapy and so forth and she just can't get to a point where she's compatible with what being Gura requires of her. God speed shork, may you be much happier in whatever you do next in life.



*Early on, Fauna had some yandere elements to her character and she would lean into what I'd call "creepy cute" elements with her character not being an entirely benevolent character. My suspicion is that management saw that as off-brand for her and, with her rebrand as Nimi Nightmare and her going for a lot of creepy cute elements with her new design and character, I feel somewhat confident that she wanted a significantly different direction for the character she played. Given Council coming out of Omega's idiocy, the talents probably didn't have nearly the agency in defining their characters as Advent and Justice did.
 

frz

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Joined:  Oct 1, 2023
Ain't backreading all that shit, but my two cents:
I think "disagreements with management" is not just boilerplate, i think it's 100% true. If we read "management" as singular noun instead of plural, it all make sense.
Corpo got bigger and now festering with multilayer management structure and endless meetings where nothing gets done in any reasonable time. It'll be bad already with western corpo, imagine how shit it is in jap with their rotten culture of endlessly shifting the blame and point of potential failure around. Nevermind the perms bullshit.
I think cover now got to a point where half of the talents look at endless useless meetings, and ask a question: what the fuck am i even doing here anymore? Money is cool, but what's the point if they, as a face of the company, don't have any sense of agency anymore?
If Yagoo wants to fix that shit, he must give much more agency and decision power to lower management and talents. i.e. middle management don't need to be aware about trivial shit like talent commissioning new stream background as long as it's within their quarterly budget. Or about offcollabs being planned.
Aint reading all that shit, but here's my two cents:
You should hang yourself.
 

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