Hololive General

[Superduper Samurai]

This will probably be the worst week in Hololive history. Yes, even worse than the China yab.

- Talent that was mostly in Hiatus
- Talent that was mostly in Hiatus
- Talent that was mostly in Hiatus

 

[NeneLOVE]

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Why is this a bad thing again? This means investors are loosing money, aren't we supposed to hate them and blame them for everything?

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Why is this a bad thing again? This means investors are loosing money, aren't we supposed to hate them and blame them for everything?

an investor shot my dog once and they did it to gura too
we joke but the average investor is probably evil enough to do that ngl

 

[ValkyrieAce]

I think the saddest part of this is that I don't think she'll come back as Sen or otherwise. She specifically mentioned that the expectations of becoming so popular were too much for her and caused her overwhelming stress (and likely her burnout). If she pops back up again, those expectations will follow her and I don't think she can handle it with as introverted as she is. Even as an indie, people are going to put too much pressure on her to be the old Gura, collab, release stuff, do concerts, etc. And I'm sure she made enough money to not go back to it if she doesn't want to. I really hope to be proven wrong because she was my oshi and I'm going to miss her the most, but I'm not going to hold my breath and hope she does what is best for herself...

She'll do her first stream and there will be 300K people watching and she'd dip instantly.

 

[I Wanna Die]

Yeah, I don't know, I don't feel anything over her leaving. She checked out years ago, kept saying she'll totally be back this time, fr fr no cap, then coming back to shill merch and disappearing again, with basically no updates until the next time she showed up and repeated the loop.

Songs and projects she kept saying were really close just kept not happening. Crazy how Kiara, who's been very forthcoming with all her project and management bullshit and issues has still managed to get stuff out, and maintain a streaming schedule, while Gura just got 100% hit rate fucked on every single thing she tried to make, and also just didn't stream. Ina got out more PROJECTS while basically working two jobs.

I cannot see how it would actually be all management issues and company direction if she literally hasn't fucking existed for three years. It all feels a little fake, or disingenuous, or hollow, whichever one has the least "I think she's a dumb whore" connotations, because while I don't hate her as a person it really seems that she just didn't want to do anything anymore, and was coasting for the free cash. Finally deciding to cash out her drama-free exit ticket because "disagreements with management" instantly nullifies her part of the, I think deserved, negativity over all of this.

But yeah, I feel like she should've either given a fuck and tried these past three years, or just quit back then. I also sincerely doubt she'll be back for any serious period of time. While I really don't feel anything over Gura herself, I feel for the other girls, and the shitstorm they're about to be engulfed in.

I don't think comparing Gura to Kiara is exactly fair. Kiara is likely used to failure, rejection, and getting ideas constantly shut down by higher ups due to her previous career as an idol where as Gura mostly made shitpost songs to an audience on youtube.

Getting ideas shut down at work sucks but getting your ideas shut down in a more creative focused environment where often times the idea doesn't even require effort from others at your company outside of yourself would feel far worse. Especially if you're already months deep into a project with money invested and they change their minds.

 

[frz]

- Talent that was mostly in Hiatus
- Talent that was mostly in Hiatus
- Talent that was mostly in Hiatus

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no no no you didn't get the memo
Hololive management bad
Talent good
Fuck takeshi (I don't remember who this guy is)
Death to Dimitry

 

[NeneLOVE]

I don't think comparing Gura to Kiara is exactly fair. Kiara is likely used to failure, rejection, and getting ideas constantly shut down by higher ups due to her previous career as an idol where as Gura mostly made shitpost songs to an audience on youtube.

Getting ideas shut down at work sucks but getting your ideas shut down in a more creative focused environment where often times the idea doesn't even require effort from others at your company outside of yourself would feel far worse. Especially if you're already months deep into a project with money invested and they change their minds.

Kiara is also a very hard worker and even though she is menhera she will keep fighting for what she wants until she gets it.

 

[La+ de Central Norte]

I don't think comparing Gura to Kiara is exactly fair. Kiara is likely used to failure, rejection, and getting ideas constantly shut down by higher ups due to her previous career as an idol where as Gura mostly made shitpost songs to an audience on youtube.

Getting ideas shut down at work sucks but getting your ideas shut down in a more creative focused environment where often times the idea doesn't even require effort from others at your company outside of yourself would feel far worse. Especially if you're already months deep into a project with money invested and they change their minds.

I agree Its not fair to compare vtubers but people are still going to be angry regardless

 

[PassiveUnaggressive]

the girls having to do idol stuff and major events.

Part of the reason I checked out of watching so much Hololive is a lot of the time, talent were busy practicing for a concert, traveling to Japan for it, etc.... I just wanted more a regular streamer, I guess

As for Gura, I hope she does better for herself. If she streams, I will watch, ok if she doesn't, but it'll be missed

 

[Not Important]

With the announcement having happened, I really just feel tired. Gura has been a nonfactor for years, but on a symbolic level it now feels like the stability I loved with Hololive up to 2024 is finally gone for good. There were graduations and even terminations within that timeframe, but it didn't just feel like this rapid shutdown of that era. Within a single week two of some of the most important vtubers in my discovery and early years of the medium will be gone.

Whether its some sort of management bullshittery or just a big coincidence (which I don't believe in) it truly feels like Holo is no longer that invincible rock in the sea of dying microcorps and scandals surrounding other big corpos. The god bleeds, let's see how much blood it will lose, before they heal the wound.

As for Gura I feel sadness and irritation.
Sadness, because, of the all amazing memories I had watching her streams and collabs. Irritation, because, for whatever reason she squandered her golden opportunity and instead being one of the greatest entertainers of the digital era, she goes in a sunset with a humiliating "lol, how she is not yet graduated?".

But most of all I tired.

If my theory about deadlines around big events is correct, I won't be surprised, if we see announcement about Ayame relatively soon. She is the only one of the non-streamers left in the company.

I hope after that this horrible wave will be over.
I can't quit Holo since I put too much emotions in the girls, but I am not sure, if I can enjoy it all the same, while having a cloud of girls quitting every month.

 

[NTRAntagonist]

Kiara is also a very hard worker and even though she is menhera she will keep fighting for what she wants until she gets it.

Yeah, after years of just brushing Kiara off as someone I don't like, I decided to actually watch and read about her lately. I'm rooting for her success and well being now.

 

[NTRAntagonist]

Part of the reason I checked out of watching so much Hololive is a lot of the time, talent were busy practicing for a concert, traveling to Japan for it, etc.... I just wanted more a regular streamer, I guess

As for Gura, I hope she does better for herself. If she streams, I will watch, ok if she doesn't, but it'll be missed

Yeah back in 2019/20 when an event happened it felt like more of a big deal, but now there's lots of stuff I just casually ignore, and I wish more time would be spent streaming or making videos than on concerts or travelling

 

[TwoBit]

Here's some even worse news; I'll be asleep when it goes live.

Proc just keeps stacking them up.

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

I don't think comparing Gura to Kiara is exactly fair. Kiara is likely used to failure, rejection, and getting ideas constantly shut down by higher ups due to her previous career as an idol where as Gura mostly made shitpost songs to an audience on youtube.

Getting ideas shut down at work sucks but getting your ideas shut down in a more creative focused environment where often times the idea doesn't even require effort from others at your company outside of yourself would feel far worse. Especially if you're already months deep into a project with money invested and they change their minds.

I know that it sucks, I know really well what it feels like. But my point is that pretty much everyone who's been in Holo for a long period of time has had to put up with retarded roadblocks and struggles. From Suisei basically getting sent out to die way back when, Marine having to dump retarded amounts of dosh and work into her MVs, Mori ending up making her own MVs between albums, concerts, streams, Haachama getting chinked for months and her awful health, everything Kiara's talked about and plenty of other things I can't think of right now. Yes, nobody's work ethic is the same, not all people are equally strong or driven. But if you give a fuck about something, you fight for it, you try. You at least do the bare minimum of streaming a couple times a month.

Yes, perms issues and projects being held up is undeniably a problem on the company side, but I just can't pretend like that was entirely Gura's problem, when so many other people are still getting things done and streaming. Could she genuinely have been treated incredibly, incredibly unfairly? Sure, it's possible, it's always possible. But I just don't see it as likely. And y'know, letting you float for 3 years and collect paychecks for streaming 10 hours a financial quarter isn't my particular example of a hellish workplace.

 

[AO Cody]

I'm gonna be honest, I don't think this is the fault of investors, and going public is only tangentially related. I think this is Cover not knowing how to grow. I've always gotten the impression that Cover is a sea of middle managers, likely ones making everything increasingly difficult for talents, ESPECIALLY ones with no tolerance for Japanese corporate bullshit. Combine that with increased paranoia of the corporate image (omg you can't do that shitpost what will the investors think) and most likely not understanding that not everyone is Suisei and Calli and wants to work 24/7 and devote every waking moment to the grind, and you have a company in crisis.

Plenty of companies go public and still keep trucking because they have confidence in what they do. "Of course the investors will like this, they invest in US, they like what we do!" Cover clearly cannot balance this, and cannot make a decision without hyper-fixating on what they think the investors will say. And now they've driven off their golden goose.

YAGOO seriously needs to clean house and change how things are run, before they drive away a major talent like Pekora or Korone.

 

[God's Strongest Dragoon]

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Someone has to celebrate in @El Rrata's stead. Anyways the ramifications this graduation will have on the rest of the branch will hilarious. Even Nimi won't be safe and will likely develop brainworms over whether her graduating contributed Gura finally graduating.

 

[RiverBear]

I'm gonna be honest, I don't think this is the fault of investors, and going public is only tangentially related. I think this is Cover not knowing how to grow. I've always gotten the impression that Cover is a sea of middle managers, likely ones making everything increasingly difficult for talents, ESPECIALLY ones with no tolerance for Japanese corporate bullshit. Combine that with increased paranoia of the corporate image (omg you can't do that shitpost what will the investors think) and most likely not understanding that not everyone is Suisei and Calli and wants to work 24/7 and devote every waking moment to the grind, and you have a company in crisis.

Plenty of companies go public and still keep trucking because they have confidence in what they do. "Of course the investors will like this, they invest in US, they like what we do!" Cover clearly cannot balance this, and cannot make a decision without hyper-fixating on what they think the investors will say. And now they've driven off their golden goose.

YAGOO seriously needs to clean house and change how things are run, before they drive away a major talent like Pekora or Korone.

At the end of the day, it is easier to manage people nearer to the main HQs (Japan) compared to handling people separated between 7 seas
Like, we haven't had much issue with Indonesia and that's only because they live in 1 island

I don't want to blame Cover, it's fucking hard trying to tard wrangle people from different parts of the world. But at the same time, if the Fauna and Mumei graduations haven't already made them ring the alarm bells, I seriously hope losing the biggest talent they had will.

 

[USS IOWA]

Kiara is also a very hard worker and even though she is menhera she will keep fighting for what she wants until she gets it.

So the ones who are left in Myth now are the ones with a lot of effort put into being a part of it.

 

[Jean Valjean]

With the dust settling, honestly, I'm actually feeling less sad than I did with Mumei. The older talents will drop one by one, especially if they're not in Japan due to whatever corpo crap they need to do. Companies change etc etc and it's probably easier to go to Japan from Indo than from the US (I've never lived in either so I wouldn't know).

Really, the one I was caught off guard the most was Fauna. I still don't get what the deal was with her leaving.

 

[agility_]

Really, the one I was caught off guard the most was Fauna. I still don't get what the deal was with her leaving.