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reinigen

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- This entire discussion is basically the reason Trains don't work well in the States and never will.
Fucking this. Every single person who talks about trains for the US is either an idiot Euro who don't understand how fucking vast the continental United States really are over 85% of the landmass, or idiotic Americans who have no idea how population dense Europe is and how the nature of their medieval kingdom history lends itself to trains. I just sit here and laugh in Manifest Destiny.
 
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Brosnan Pierce Brosnan

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On the topic of America being fucking huge. This is why it's a pain for California to get all the cons, as once you get past Chicago... or Omaha Nebraska if I'm being generous you are basically stuck on a highway with no civilization. At that point you can't get to anywhere on the West Coast from the East/South or Midwest in a timely fashion without a plane. Past Omaha you go through three states of empty highway until Denver. And that might not even be the halfway point to Cali itself.

Now Eastward is quite a trek of course, but at least you have fucking cities to break up the pace.
 
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There may be something wrong with the new phase girl, so she practically fits right in:

 

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There may be something wrong with the new phase girl, so she practically fits right in:


Invader or Phase 3?

Also, I read that as "Pipi-ing" instead of "piping", the brain mold is terminal.
 

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Fucking this. Every single person who talks about trains for the US is either an idiot Euro who don't understand how fucking vast the continental United States really are over 85% of the landmass, or idiotic Americans who have no idea how population dense Europe is and how the nature of their medieval kingdom history lends itself to trains. I just sit here and laugh in Manifest Destiny.

- Trains require certain lengths and population densities, then you need a reason for enough passengers to go from A to B. Europe's Castle Towns on Rivers layout is absolutely ideal for train-based systems. Almost none of the rest of the world is.
- Having done a bunch of cycles with "but we NEED TRAINS" types, it has little to do with trains. it parallels the issues around Guns. There simply are people that want Big Daddy to take care of things while also wanting to remove the personal control from others. The more modern push is Self-Driving Cars. None of these technologies are bad in & of themselves. But no one should ever trust the people pushing these technologies when their core desire is to take something from you, not find better ways to doing previous tasks.

On the topic of America being fucking huge. This is why it's a pain for California to get all the cons, as once you get past Chicago... or Omaha Nebraska if I'm being generous you are basically stuck ona highway with no civilization. At that point can't get to anywhere on the West Coast from the East/South or Midwest in a timely fashion without a plane. Past Omaha you go through three states of empty highway until Denver. And that might not even be the halfway point to Cali itself.

Now Eastward is quite a trek of course, but at least you have fucking cities to break up the pace.
If you ever have the chance, driving across the States in Fall or Spring is a great drive. But it's also 2 full days of driving. As in 26+ hours to get from Chicago to LA of actual driving. Open Road driving is actually enjoyable, but it's not great when you really need to move from A to B. And the cultural pull into LA is always an issue. It truly is highly disconnected from the rest of the country, both physically and mentally.

While trains don't really work in the States, taking Amtrak across the Western States is a solid trip. At least in Spring/Fall. You get a solid 2 days of beautiful scenery. If you aren't in a hurry and like reading books.

Invader or Phase 3?

Also, I read that as "Pipi-ing" instead of "piping", the brain mold is terminal.

Well, if its terminal, hopefully Calli is your oshi so you can finally meet her.


We could quite possibly have a functional train system on the east coast if Amtrak wasn't congressionally mandated to provide service to the entire country, though - right now we have a monopoly providing incredibly pointless, shitty nationwide service instead of functional trains in the sector of the country where it would probably be economically viable....
There's a number of routes on the East Coast that would still be quite viable. But you'd also have stops at the hometowns of several Congressmen on the way. That's a lot of the issue.
As someone on the east coast, it takes me nine hours to fly to somewhere like Sacramento, CA for a trade show. It almost exactly the same amount of time it takes for me to fly to the UK. Also, while trains have never been a great option for most Americans, by god, some of the nicest views I've ever seen were in Colorado and the Canadian Rockies.

As a vacations, this was great: https://www.rockymountaineer.com/
San Fran to London is 10h non-stop, for reference. Which is also why trips to NYC are "a big trip" to West Coasters; same with trips to LA being "a big trip" to East Coasters. A Brit taking a holiday to Greece is roughly the same concept.
As someone who has an interest in geography, I enjoy these discussions about it here. Just a few things to add:

While traveling is more than just visiting geographical locations, the States are so geographically diverse that if that's a person's main reason for traveling, they really don't need to travel outside the States to experience it in many cases. There's a lot of mountains, beaches, the Great Plains, numerous National Parks, deserts, etc to get a change of scenery. Hell, while culturally and politically it's a hellscape, California's geography can have you swimming in the Pacific Ocean in the morning, snowboarding in the mountains in the afternoon, and having a bonfire on a desert lake bed in the evening. If someone has any interest in geography, it's honestly very interesting learning about the US's geography. And like others have pointed out, I didn't even mention the different cultures/customs of different areas.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy learning about geography all over the world, so I'm not trying to brag about the US because I'm
'Murican, but I do think sometimes people (in general, not here) underestimate how interesting US geography is.


I've actually been wanting to try doing something like this for some time now. I really need to look into it more.
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And to make up for my geography sperging, have a fun Flare clip from a dedicated Flare clipper:

The Amtrak lines through the Rockies are a blast. But you do need time. It's a 3 day trip from West Coast to Chicago. Hilariously enough I met a European couple traveling around the States that way. They were having a grand old time.
I'm no Yank or even New Worlder, but people who aren't tend to absolutely underestimate just how fucking big the country is. The US is like half a continent, Texas is bigger than France. At some point rail travel for passenger purposes kind of becomes unviable. China has an absolutely massive railway system that runs at lightning speeds and it's absurdly expensive and runs at huge losses to the point of ridiculousness. That kind of political will doesn't exist in America nor really should it.

EDIT: Good point about short distance vs long distance travel though by Reticule.
The unsaid aspect about High speed rail. Japan had to write-off/retire what is functionally a 1 Trillion USD (adjusted) for the early Shinkansen system. China has spent something like 2 Trillion on theirs and basically all of it but one section runs massive in the red (heh). And, since it's Chinese build quality, it's going to fall apart very early.
That's essentially what I was asking, is this someone who exists or a new person?


The thing is, people have gone coast to coast via trains and have done so going top to bottom through the US as well. The problem isn't long distance train travel, it's short distance travel as you have too many points of interest with not enough people traveling to any one point. More so, states can have multiple medium sized cities or towns as opposed to one hub city that branches out which makes it even harder as you end up in weird triangles of travel instead of straight lines.

Politicians have pushed for rail systems, many of the new ones are abysmal failures, with California being the worst where they spent billions and hadn't even laid a single mile of track at that point. If there was a need for serious train travel, private business would have already solved it.

Medium and large cities need proper rail-type transport systems. Beyond that, the US was simply built on homestead-based sprawl from 1650 onward. There's a reason only the biggest northern cities have full rail hubs. Only place that can sustain them.
 
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Horo7618

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Fucking this. Every single person who talks about trains for the US is either an idiot Euro who don't understand how fucking vast the continental United States really are over 85% of the landmass, or idiotic Americans who have no idea how population dense Europe is and how the nature of their medieval kingdom history lends itself to trains. I just sit here and laugh in Manifest Destiny.
We could quite possibly have a functional train system on the east coast if Amtrak wasn't congressionally mandated to provide service to the entire country, though - right now we have a monopoly providing incredibly pointless, shitty nationwide service instead of functional trains in the sector of the country where it would probably be economically viable....
 

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Sorry to interrupt your riveting train discussion. I just wanted to point out that for all the shit that befell Aloe, I still have no clue what was the extent of her doxxing or how it technically happened (and why it ruined her contract with Cover). Perhaps this is covered in the homeland thread, but since Tor works only when it feels like I won't know for sure for a while.

OK carry on telling fat american retards to board trains to move within town/ telling smug Dutch-Danish faggits to get off the bike and drive a car like a normal person.

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As someone on the east coast, it takes me nine hours to fly to somewhere like Sacramento, CA for a trade show. It almost exactly the same amount of time it takes for me to fly to the UK. Also, while trains have never been a great option for most Americans, by god, some of the nicest views I've ever seen were in Colorado and the Canadian Rockies.

As a vacations, this was great: https://www.rockymountaineer.com/
 

Brosnan Pierce Brosnan

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Well to derail this train talk I bring an important update



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If only Colress didnt get around so much. Pippa needs a tighter grip on her 2D man... man
 

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It's so funny that Sydsnap went as herself instead of Hime for whatever video this is.


Also kson as a maid too. Zentreya has been badly photoshopped in, who knows why. Another fucking model change?
 

Abomination

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As someone who has an interest in geography, I enjoy these discussions about it here. Just a few things to add:

While traveling is more than just visiting geographical locations, the States are so geographically diverse that if that's a person's main reason for traveling, they really don't need to travel outside the States to experience it in many cases. There's a lot of mountains, beaches, the Great Plains, numerous National Parks, deserts, etc to get a change of scenery. Hell, while culturally and politically it's a hellscape, California's geography can have you swimming in the Pacific Ocean in the morning, snowboarding in the mountains in the afternoon, and having a bonfire on a desert lake bed in the evening. If someone has any interest in geography, it's honestly very interesting learning about the US's geography. And like others have pointed out, I didn't even mention the different cultures/customs of different areas.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy learning about geography all over the world, so I'm not trying to brag about the US because I'm
'Murican, but I do think sometimes people (in general, not here) underestimate how interesting US geography is.

While trains don't really work in the States, taking Amtrak across the Western States is a solid trip. At least in Spring/Fall. You get a solid 2 days of beautiful scenery. If you aren't in a hurry and like reading books.
I've actually been wanting to try doing something like this for some time now. I really need to look into it more.
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And to make up for my geography sperging, have a fun Flare clip from a dedicated Flare clipper:
 

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Just to be clear, is urara/dizzy ceasing her temp manager duties and switching over to streamer? Or will she be doing double duty? (which some have said isn't the best idea)




A short ASMR video from Yumie, talking about her experience with the medium. Interesting way to do your first ASMR, it's basically a beginner's guide.

I don't know, but if she's switching from manager to talent that would explain Shiina's awkwardness in dancing around it. She said she went to a spa with a manager and hoped she could introduce them soon. Then a couple weeks later mentioned the new managers and sad she hadn't met them yet and declined to answer about the spa-going manager. So, I guess if she meant introduce Dizzy as a talent and she couldn't reveal that yet.

Wemi's gonna show every fake gamer poser how to get shit done!

I'm a little sus that Wemi has played this before since she chose Pyromancer :smugpipi:
Invader or Phase 3?

Also, I read that as "Pipi-ing" instead of "piping", the brain mold is terminal.
I think anyone with a persona that carries over will be a invader, even if they also use a new model or such. Any one in gen 3 is probably expected to be clean slate with no acknowledgement of PL.
 

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Also kson as a maid too. Zentreya has been badly photoshopped in, who knows why. Another fucking model change?
I thought I was having a schizo episode since Kson was right there and nobody pointed it out.



Invader or Phase 3?

Also, I read that as "Pipi-ing" instead of "piping", the brain mold is terminal.
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The part that's weird to me is, I thought invaders were supposed to be indies that are picked up by Phase while mantaining the IP. What's the point?
 
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I'm no Yank or even New Worlder, but people who aren't tend to absolutely underestimate just how fucking big the country is. The US is like half a continent, Texas is bigger than France. At some point rail travel for passenger purposes kind of becomes unviable. China has an absolutely massive railway system that runs at lightning speeds and it's absurdly expensive and runs at huge losses to the point of ridiculousness. That kind of political will doesn't exist in America nor really should it.

EDIT: Good point about short distance vs long distance travel though by Reticule.
 
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Realticule

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I think anyone with a persona that carries over will be a invader, even if they also use a new model or such. Any one in gen 3 is probably expected to be clean slate with no acknowledgement of PL.
That's essentially what I was asking, is this someone who exists or a new person?

I'm no Yank or even New Worlder, but people who aren't tend to absolutely underestimate just how fucking big the country is. The US is like half a continent, Texas is bigger than France. At some point rail travel for passenger purposes kind of becomes unviable. China has an absolutely massive railway system that runs at lightning speeds and it's absurdly expensive and runs at huge losses to the point of ridiculousness. That kind of political will doesn't exist in America nor really should it.
The thing is, people have gone coast to coast via trains and have done so going top to bottom through the US as well. The problem isn't long distance train travel, it's short distance travel as you have too many points of interest with not enough people traveling to any one point. More so, states can have multiple medium sized cities or towns as opposed to one hub city that branches out which makes it even harder as you end up in weird triangles of travel instead of straight lines.

Politicians have pushed for rail systems, many of the new ones are abysmal failures, with California being the worst where they spent billions and hadn't even laid a single mile of track at that point. If there was a need for serious train travel, private business would have already solved it.
 

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They posted this shit in JP too. So it's probably not because of something that actually happened. Although it reeks of alphabet people writing their "safe space" blog rules about acceptance and inclusivity. With a little bit less visual vomit in the form of rainbows.


Finally a disastrous Hololive yab we can all point at. With this the writing is on the wall, Hololive is on the decline, they won't last the year, mark my words.
Also a hug box definitely isn't something a company should strive towards for its employees, should have mandatory battle royals of the bottom five members survivor gets the subs of all the dead members.

I finally read it. Damn i feel like a talent in holo is gonna come out as a troon soon when reading this lmao.

BUT ALSO

i bet calli wrote it

This is just a frustratingly bad translation, and should have been checked. As it should be "supporters", using friend was actually a dumb mistake, one they will hopefully fix.
DeepL translation of the JP version: We hope to create the future of HOLOLOLIVE PRODUCTION together with you as "supporters" of talents.

Really this is just a overly long gay ramble about wanting the community to be positive re-enforcement for the members, as we've seen already with lots of early members in the past it can be the difference to them quitting or feeling like they can keep trying even when things are shitty.
 

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Does anyone have a good VTuber for me to Anti?
I wanna join in on the schizo fun.
 

Gravedigger

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Have some idol gremlins attempt to sing.

 

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Idk what this is and its too long to read ( im at work )

/vt and other retards
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The rest behaves anyway. Same energy as the rules in stream descriptions
 
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