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She's got almost 8000 subs predebut, while the other two have a little over 1000. Also, 1k viewers just in pre-chat. Asagi-mama buff is real.
Mama buff is real. She does have a nice voice.

The trick to avoiding cringy debut streams is to never do a debut stream.

Just stream.

(Onolumi & Usui Clear did exactly that. If admittedly with streams that started with an audience of 0)

Hm. Now that I think about it, isn't that kind of what Korone did? Or at least it swerved into it after she got lost.
Disagree with this for 2 reasons.
1. Debuts will always get more attention even if you are a 2 view. Seen people with 15 CCV that got 40-80 CCV during debut.
2. Its content you can later revisit and make content on.

Now that I'm on another government watchlist for that last post. Why not double post as I bring you the dueling of the ASMRs



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Imagine the publisher of, say, Attack on Titan walks up to someone at Comiket running a booth selling some fancomic about Armin eating out Eren's asshole. Publisher does nothing because it's a bunch of college kids who really think Armin and Eren are into each other and one of them can draw decent. Maybe they might even get the artists' phone number and keep them in mind next time they need to get more cleanup artists.

Now imagine that same event happens, but the fancomic has a DC Comics logo on the front cover, and it turns out it's because the team behind the fancomic work for DC and used that to do the publishing run. Can you imagine how that event plays out differently?
People would shit on them for doing that especially given how big Doujin culture is. Nothing prevents these developers from filing DMCA claims as the Firewatch fag did. Hell, they could argue that your brand actively damages theirs because you are a "literal nazi". While those may strike the channel initially they won't work in the favor of the dev in the long run.



Lopi doing her first karaoke. Istill havent subbed to her. Lets see how this goes. Could be great or it could be a complete trainwreck.
 

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People would shit on them for doing that especially given how big Doujin culture is. Nothing prevents these developers from filing DMCA claims as the Firewatch fag did. Hell, they could argue that your brand actively damages theirs because you are a "literal nazi". While those may strike the channel initially they won't work in the favor of the dev in the long run.
Let me re-quote myself in big colorful letters because you just zipped past the bit that illustrates my point.

Now imagine that same event happens, but the fancomic has a DC Comics logo on the front cover, and it turns out it's because the team behind the fancomic work for DC and used that to do the publishing run
THIS is why corpo vtubing tends to run into this permissions issue, not Japan.
 

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Other Recap parts can be found [HERE]

Ᵽ PHC: Phase Connect
♨ FVR: FlaVR
▷ HLO: Hololive
☆ HST: Holostars
◷ NIJ: Nijisanji
₪ IDL: Idol Corp
𝄋 EIN: EIEN project
Ⓥ VSJ: VShojo

post | ◷ NIJ | Luxiem collab, Human Fall Flat
post | They are getting new outfits
post | Links to outfit reveals

post | ▷ HLO | Dottovu provides: Toad sings Peaches

post | Another banned vtuber twitter clip, Holo nazis

post | VerseN variety show
post | More info, 3D live performances, original song and more
post | Screenshots of their quality tv

post | ☆ HST | Hakka is about to realease a new original

post | Recommendation - Kichi, tan oni vtuber. Karaokes, song requests

post | ◷ NIJ | Selen's team doing quite well in Apex Rising charity event
post | Their idea of celebration is commiting a crime against cuisine by ordering pizza for each other
post | After blended subways, Nocturnal blocked Kronii on Twitter
post | Selen Nocturnal in Apex Rising finals
post | Recap of events, and on Selen opening EN Apex pro scene connection. Hal and Falloutt

post | Ᵽ PHC | Pippa fan model showcases degeneracy
post | Creator calls it loli

post | Ᵽ PHC | On Lia Japan scholarship, also about self-sabotaging
post | Shiina got 50K subs

post | Chinchilla girl Natsumi Hanamori roasted Pippa coffee. She also hit 3 view status
post | She applied to Phase Connect but didn't get through

post | Recommendation - a number of music production related vtubers. People answering Chiato Macchiato's request
post | Long list of music related vtubers
post | Clio is in Australia

post | Saruei lore animationm with Leeandlie voice acting

post | Nami from Kawaii got 2.0 update

post | Recommendation - Laki Station, JP dinosaur vtuber

post | ▷ HLO | IRyS and Reine sung together long before Hololive, their chemistry

post | Tech - YCS, YouTube Comment Search

post | Ᵽ PHC | Archive (timed) - Lia - Unarchived DRUNK Karaoke!

post | ▷ HLO | Kronii Monster Hunter Rise mod

post | Ᵽ PHC | AI SpongeBob and Patrick roast Pippa

post | Vtuber Twitter about Holo warm vs Niji "we don't praise each other". A lot of discussion
post | ◷ NIJ | There are actually a lot of stories of Niji JPs hanging out together
post | And more

post | Nabi stream about viewers' countries, Taiwan is brought up

post | ▷ HLO | Kronii is going through it

post | ▷ HLO | Marine voice acting collab, it's about her game. She got real voice actors
post | Inoue Marina, Misato Fukuen and Ayane Sakura

post | ☆ HST | Oga is taking a break to deal with family situation. Also about Gemma Birthday Live

post | Rust server helps people to get VSaikyo reunion outside APEX. Sumire, Chihiro, dtto., La+ and more
post | More clips
post | Question - why is the good things only happen in JP?
post | ☆ HST | Axel got into Rust server

post | ▷ HLO | About HoloID 3rd Anniversary cafe. Mukirose cosplayer is participating
post | Cover is looking for a new EN manager
post | Welcome skills - experience promoting in Europe and US. Autotranslate issues, The Western Sphere

post | Ᵽ PHC | Lia passed finals despite being drunk

post | ▷ HLO | Kiara tried to fake a checkmark on Twitter
post | Big post about Kiara, mother vs Mommy, collabs, clips
post | New holo27 MV

post | MarikaMa2rika wants to get a cardboard stand in Akiba

post | ▷ HLO | Mumei member post about her health and more

post | Moriko Kyoho (BatAtVideoGames) was banned
post | 2 weeks, no explanations
post | Her reaction
post | Her previous ban

post | She is going to debut on YouTube
post | Losing mind over YouTube Twitch differences
post | And more. Link to the stream is back

post | 𝄋 EIN | Kiki plays Dota 2, big update

post | ▷ HLO | Iroha announced her first massive collab project: Holo Dorokei. Also Marine commisioned trailer for her game

post | MATI link

post | Sleepy is stepping up Youtube activity

post | Ᵽ PHC | ! Lumi at risk !

post | Watamelon in the wild, Sam Hyde's fishtank thing on youtube
post | Clip of usual things in fishtank
post | EN3 candidates

post | Bamco released Mirai Akari's graduation stream VOD, cut out a lot

post | About rifles vs handguns, what is easier

post | ilyhops is collabing with Soyapoya and Shondo is collabing with Neurosama
post | Shondo / Neuro collab link

post | 𝄋 EIN | Kilia talks about a life changing breast reduction surgery

post | Ᵽ PHC | Question - Who do you think is new Invaders?

post | Amiya new outfit reveal
post | Screenshots
post | Merch. Also Question - for people who have used Itch. How much money does the creator get?
post | Merch link. Also Question - was there a fallout of Amelia new model with tattoo?
post | About Utano Pandora giving Amiya advice, and Mino Mieko hoodie

post | About Hearts of Iron 4 mod called Red Flood

post | ▷ HLO | Ina is having trouble with audio setup

post | ₪ IDL | Archive (timed) - Riro Ron - 【UNARCHIVED】 IDOL KARAOKE!

post | ▷ HLO | Dottovu Patreon update, rebroadcast of a karaoke

post | Nyaru is doing Latin America media share

post | Twitter company checkmark with a $1000 loss story
post | Ⓥ VSJ | Vshojo have it
post | Read the text. Also Elon Musk talks

post | Lenna (@LennaVTuber) got gold checkmark without applying or paying
post | Twitter is giving Blue ones for free to accounts with over a million followers, and to some that don't. Discussion on the downfall of Twitter
post | Main Holo account have gold company one

post | ▷ HLO | Hololive convention photos

post | Question - is Sleepy a hag?

post | Ᵽ PHC | Lumi shows new design, sassy lost child. Graduated school. Talked about slow merch shipment, hopefully will improve

post | Ⓥ VSJ | Yakuza competition is close to end, Kson is hopeful

post | ₪ IDL | Katta talks about Akai Haato

post | ▷ HLO | Hololive medley of 200 original songs

post | Short Fat Otaku says Pikamee was too weak, Kuri Rinji vid

post | ☆ HST | Hakka Birthday stream part 1, also new song
post | Part 2, with Hakka mom
post | Hakka mom Twitter voice message

post | Ᵽ PHC | Walmart Pekora bootleg Pippa backpack. There is Doug (@DigDougMedia) with gold checkmark in replies
post | He didn't apply for anything and has small following

post | Prism Project presents 5th Gen, loli, tomboy, big tiddy

post | Ᵽ PHC | Uruka wants people to vote for rewards
post | Pippa Lia collab stream goes full force

post | ▷ HLO | More Bae Gemite, Nene and Koyori

post | Ᵽ PHC | Lia Punkalopi interaction

post | ▷ HLO | Subaru to be a MC in music show
post | Gura is doing members watchalong, 2002 Scooby Doo
post | Gura was active in some waiting room

post | Ᵽ PHC | Airi still doesn't know how to properly play mahjong

post | Recommendation - Maru Nanamoru from VerseN, bilingual JP

post | ₪ IDL | Fuyo fell asleep in the middle of Twitter space, sleep talking

post | ▷ HLO | About Iroha picking up again, organizing Minecraft collab. Also on OtakMori, clickbate drama clipper

post | ♨ FVR | Sena raided Kiki (@bunnyonvt on Twitter) stream, Kiki called her friend.

post | YouTube now plays adds in the middle of the stream as well, can be turned off

post | Ᵽ PHC | Something is happening with Yuri
post | It was going on for 3 days now
post | About Lumi, Yuri and Cyberlive

post | Yuri on manager position?
post | More about Yuri and Lumi
post | Yuri break was planned several days before the last stream
post | Banned Vtuber memes with a recap of all sus activity

post | ☆ HST | Archive - Banzoin Hakka - 【UNARCHIVED BIRBDAY KARAOKE】LET'S SING OUR HEARTS OUT!

post | ₪ IDL | Yuko was trying to make a Ryona/gore thread about herself

post | ◷ NIJ | Recommendation - Maria's 100 song karaoke

post | New 774 vtubers debut links

post | Ᵽ PHC | Rie posts a superchat talking about fishman's twink bussy

post | Tech - how to download Twitter space

post | Question - do you show vtuber songs to friends and family?

post | Duel Masters name in Japan is the same

post | Ᵽ PHC | Moonjelly is probably Invader, OffKai reference

post | Meno Ibuki from Prism streams crafting stuff

post | ◷ NIJ | Rindou Mikoto global Among us collab

post | Ᵽ PHC | Phase Weekly and Phase collab, Crab Champions, will be later

post | Question - How vtubers are going to appeal to sports and racing fans? Context - vtubers looking for audience outside of weebs

post | ▷ HLO | Ina new outfit reveal
post | Screenshots
post | T shirt
post | Glasses, headphones, controller

post | Tech - how to search for tweet on TVA

post | Nene from Kawaii released an original

post | Tomoe's pinball week, Pokemon pinball

post | ♨ FVR | The large KC2023 3D Karaoke Concert organized by Kerimara and Neiomi, lot of info. Sena, Mahlo and Juwun will be performing

post | ▷ HLO | Kronii Fauna Dying Light collab, perms are weird
post | Fauna waiting room vanished
post | Perms are weird, again
post | Clip on why Kiara stopped asking for perms, new system

post | Gotta be US company to not deal with all it
post | ☆ HST | Stars do not have perms for FEAR, only FEAR3
post | ₪ IDL | Reminder from Rin - perms are not JP only thing, there are corpo thing
post | Ᵽ PHC | Phase needs to be conscious of that, given their growth. Firewatch DMCA'd PewDiePie over edge, can happen to your oshi next!

post | ◷ NIJ | Ver reads his fans' deepest confessions

post | Question - what does followind do on TVA?

post | Discussion on vtubers play games you are familiar with around here

post | ▷ HLO | About why Haachama is on break

post | What Sleepy cut out of the VOD

post | Matoi Miia got paid $100, eats another crayon

post | TVA Mods about Nolan, from our Discord Degeneracy thread
post | Great timing
post | Great timing 2

post | ▷ HLO | Dottovu replies to DemonDice tweet. Sparks discussion on VA

post | ♨ FVR | The great bakeoff, Sena, Nyaru, UglyBagstard, Moonshine. Talk about cooking skills of latinas, white girls and koreans
post | Sena stream

post | ▷ HLO | Fauna and Lira Kokuyou (Sony girl with same artist) Twitter interaction
post | Recommendation - Ame Floor stream

post | Question - why is Flamenco hated?

post | ◷ NIJ | Hana Macchia 3D reveal stream announced
post | Hana cannot believe herself
post | About Hana situation
post | Possible Otogibara parrallels

post | Ⓥ VSJ | Kson posts Manji symbol
post | She explains it

post | Mako Fukasame debuted updated design

post | Dev-E, new sony wave, debuts. There is IRL section in the dog one. Also an interview with Vee producer
post | Lira is next
post | She already got a translated clip, leaning into Mommy, even though she isn't exactly
post | About her PL
post | Group cover, also Lui individual cover

post | Hatoba Tsugu new video, first upload in 6 month

post | ▷ HLO | Korone Holotalk by Kiara
post | How Korone debut influenced future Hololive debut formats

post | ▷ HLO | Bae is back in Japan
post | Calli Kobo Minecraft collab
post | IRyS also back to Minecraft

post | ◷ NIJ | 2 Big JP collabs - Salome and Sasaki are doing this Pokemon gym battle. Also Shiina and Chigusa organized Valo custom

post | ▷ HLO | Recent HoloGra episode is a remake of an old episode, that was taken down everywhere except Bilibili

post | Mozu does ASMR, goes AFK due to audio issues
post | Restarting PC

post | Amiya got more RAM

post | /vt/ video - The 4chan VTuber Board: Blackout

post | Kirsche's eye problem

post | Elia Stellaria (Aletta) got membership, celebrates

post | ▷ HLO | From Kiara member stream, Hololive developing an internal app for karaoke



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Let me re-quote myself in big colorful letters because you just zipped past the bit that illustrates my point.


THIS is why corpo vtubing tends to run into this permissions issue, not Japan.
Yes there could be a HUGE problem if some people that worked for DC use the logo (which they shouldn't in the first place as its not something made by the company) especially if its to publish a doujin (which essentially is a comic) of another property that is an anime/manga.
 

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>Corpos are evil
>idolculture is ruining vtubers,
>watch indies and small corpos if you want to save vtubing
If you take out the hyperbole I can't find a single lie there :smugpipi:
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This is something I think Phase needs to be conscious of, given the noticeable growth over the past year. Publishers aren't going to bother going after a tiny corpo full of 2views because there's nothing to gain from it, but when one of the talents is pulling in several grand a week with some of the others quickly catching up, it's only a matter of time before the corpo's on their radar.

The extra problem you have is that if the issue went to court, most vtuber gaming streams would not hold up under a Fair Dealing/Fair Use defence. It's hard to present your work as a critique or commentary on the copyrighted material when a significant part of the stream consists of off-topic discussion and interaction with chat; a less-charitable plaintiff could make the argument that a streamer is using their game footage, characters, and logos to promote their own brand and that their superchats, ad revenue etc. are ill-gotten gains - and a courtroom comprised of normies would buy it.

Most developers and publishers would be hands-off regardless, but there are always exceptions to the rule. Some don't care about the optics of taking down internet personalities (Nintendo have no need to care, they could massacre an entire village and get away with it because people like Mario, and Atlus are just terminally retarded), and others just act on impulse rather than logic. I have a bit of a fear in the back of my head that some unhinged indie developer will get mad about the Hitler particles rabbit streaming their game and take action, similar to the time the Firewatch dev DMCA'd PewDiePie because he made edgy jokes.

tl;dr if your Phase oshi's streamed a playthrough you particularly enjoy I'd recommend downloading the vods as a backup, just in case.
I think the dmca problem is only an issue because of youtube's copyright system, any actual dmca takedown requires some basic lawyering but the way youtube handles is just washing their hands, take the thing down and let the retards fight it out themselves. Any western publisher/dev in their right mind would not want to open the can of worms that would be to take a streamer to court over petty change, the moment one of them tries they killed their biggest advertising platform and most importantly free too, not for them but for everyone.
What could be a real problem would be a company suing a vtuber company over slander because on of their talents went on a rant against them but even then that's just another can of worms and I doubt anyone in their right minds would even try it, for all their woke retardation most companies still have people with functioning brains in their legal departments.
 

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Yes there could be a HUGE problem if some people that worked for DC use the logo (which they shouldn't in the first place as its not something made by the company) especially if its to publish a doujin (which essentially is a comic) of another property that is an anime/manga.
Thank you.

Now, it's pretty much the same thing with streaming. That Hololive Productions logo is worth a lot more than people give it credit for in the eyes of, for example, Capcom's lawyers.

I think the dmca problem is only an issue because of youtube's copyright system,
The Law.

The DMCA problem isn't some petty drama shit, it's the law.

If "YouTube's DMCA system" didn't exist, Mionacht still would have happened, but it would not have been a takedown notice from YouTube, it would be Capcom suing Hololive Productions.
 

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Every time I see someone play Breath of the Wild, they collect random shit everywhere.

It's like someone took DKC 64, put a coat of paint over it and put it on the shelves again.
 

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Every time I see someone play Breath of the Wild, they collect random shit everywhere.

It's like someone took DKC 64, put a coat of paint over it and put it on the shelves again.
At least DK64 had varied environments; Breath of the Wild all just washes together for me
 

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This is something I think Phase needs to be conscious of, given the noticeable growth over the past year. Publishers aren't going to bother going after a tiny corpo full of 2views because there's nothing to gain from it, but when one of the talents is pulling in several grand a week with some of the others quickly catching up, it's only a matter of time before the corpo's on their radar.

The extra problem you have is that if the issue went to court, most vtuber gaming streams would not hold up under a Fair Dealing/Fair Use defence. It's hard to present your work as a critique or commentary on the copyrighted material when a significant part of the stream consists of off-topic discussion and interaction with chat; a less-charitable plaintiff could make the argument that a streamer is using their game footage, characters, and logos to promote their own brand and that their superchats, ad revenue etc. are ill-gotten gains - and a courtroom comprised of normies would buy it.

Most developers and publishers would be hands-off regardless, but there are always exceptions to the rule. Some don't care about the optics of taking down internet personalities (Nintendo have no need to care, they could massacre an entire village and get away with it because people like Mario, and Atlus are just terminally retarded), and others just act on impulse rather than logic. I have a bit of a fear in the back of my head that some unhinged indie developer will get mad about the Hitler particles rabbit streaming their game and take action, similar to the time the Firewatch dev DMCA'd PewDiePie because he made edgy jokes.

tl;dr if your Phase oshi's streamed a playthrough you particularly enjoy I'd recommend downloading the vods as a backup, just in case.

I don't know about Canadian or Israeli courts but if it ended up in American courts, the case would be dead on arrival. A typical vtuber gaming stream is textbook fair use. They're adding new context all over the place both in terms of explicit commentary and just in the manner that they're playing the game, and the vast majority of people tuning into the stream will be doing so because they want to see those expressions by the streamer, not because or not merely because they want to see the game being played.

I don't know, maybe if Fishman got an official letter worded the right way he'd get spooked and take down content, but if there's any chance the case would end up in an American court, the proper thing would be to not only fight it but countersue for legal fees. Maybe not the fiscally prudent thing, but definitely the proper thing.

In other news, I don't get the joke/reference with this, but I love the animation.

 

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