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General Thread v5 Guys: MariMari_EN Edition

Murrayしないで

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The X version shows more grass and more... something in the water.


OKAY SABA WE GET IT

JEEZ WE'RE NOT ALL THAT DUMB OKAY

A while back Lucy dropped an original shitpost song search tells me it wasn't posted


Wonder what's up with the weird blurring at around 0:45.

Asmongold isn't a vtuber, but I think this is worth posting:



I could see Asmongold helping to incentivize vtubers to multistream to Kick as well, it's free money and views for what seems to be only a small amount of extra effort. Asmongold being on Kick also helps Kick get past it's reputation for hosting nuisance streamers, whores and gambling streams, and Kick is a much friendlier platform to vtubers than Twitch. And we could definitely do with more competition between streaming platforms.

But we'll see how this pans out.


Okay, as a triple-streamer to YT, Twitter, and Kick, I'll give my Kick take this time.

Kick is operated by the same parent company as the Stake online casino (the same assholes who keep spamming social media with stolen pictures and videos with their watermark pasted over them, Ebaumsworld-style) and was started as a place to host streamers, some that they sponsor, using their product (though it was never exclusive to gambling streams), at a time when Twitch didn't allow gambling streams (Twitch has since allowed them). That said as the parent company is operating it as a sort of advertising/loss leader and not trying to make serious money for investors or themselves, they offer a 95/5 split on subs and donos, which blows YouTube (70/30) and Twitch (starts at 50/50 and then there's this weird flowchart under which some streamers can get 70/30) clean out of the water. If you're able to build a generous audience on Kick or steer enough of your audience from other platforms over to donoing via Kick instead, you'll be making a lot more takehome pay than at other platforms. Also, despite the casino connections, if you have an exception to gambling streams, or tiddy streams for that matter, there are options to hide both in Kick's user settings, which people with moral objections or addiction problems should appreciate (though paradoxically you may still see thumbnails of these streams in the process of registering so that you have access to the setting to hide them).

Of course, the nuisance streamers making it their home definitely knocked their reputation recently, and as for vtubers, we're expected to use a vtuber category, which is a bit of a handicap - it means if you're playing the latest game as a vtuber, you can't put your stream in the category for that game, which would increase its visibility to those looking for streams for that game. (I'm not sure how strictly they enforce this, though - if I ever get new hardware and am able to play Hot New Game again, maybe I'll try wandering out of the vtuber category and seeing if I get bonked.) Also, they haven't figured out how to keep spambots out of chats - something like 9 out of every 10 chat messages I get are for follow/viewbot services (keeping in mind I'm basically a 0view there).

While it still has some problems, I think it's quite usable for streamers, and viewers without ad blockers will appreciate that there's no ads unlike Twitch or YouTube. I'd really like Kick to shake its reputation and come out as a solid alternative to Team Red and Team Purple. I'd say they've already got a head start above Twitter in almost all respects.
 

Xuhle

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Thanks sorry for you having to spoonfeed me because I'm somewhat interested in her but not enough to watch an almost five hour vod before bed
Hermes was one of the better ones that's for sure. She did mention that after her last collabe with Dio their was a call with management that just turned to the last straw. I'm also trying to spoon-feed myself cause she's a yapper and basically going on for an hour just explaining why she's leaving.

E- seems like the corpo was also the ones to original push for the react content, but when Hermes joined they started pulling back on that as she didn't do that at all.
 
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Hff201

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I never did get much of a read on Mythos, they just come off as a marginally less trashy VShojo with a neat theme? And they hired Hylo for some reason?

OKAY SABA WE GET IT

JEEZ WE'RE NOT ALL THAT DUMB OKAY
Statistically speaking, the majority of chumbuds are that dumb.
 

Xuhle

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I never did get much of a read on Mythos, they just come off as a marginally less trashy VShojo with a neat theme? And they hired Hylo for some reason?


Statistically speaking, the majority of chumbuds are that dumb.
I think comparing them to vshojo is a bit of a miss characterization of what Hermes said is true. They are a more free Niji that I don't think we have even seen what is going to far for them. But they seem very protective of lore, like just having any changes to Hermes own lore she was indicating they didn't like, or even having her mascot being a toaster (this is an in joke based of the Toaster scp they saw in a game)
 

Banana Hammock

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>click a recommended video
>see this waiting screen
Troon-Detector.png

>this is a tranny, isn't it?
>skip to 6 minutes
>male voice

Honestly, I should just stop clicking on vtubers I don't recognize at this point. 90% of the time they're a tranny.
 

Hff201

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I think comparing them to vshojo is a bit of a miss characterization of what Hermes said is true. They are a more free Niji that I don't think we have even seen what is going to far for them. But they seem very protective of lore, like just having any changes to Hermes own lore she was indicating they didn't like, or even having her mascot being a toaster (this is an in joke based of the Toaster scp they saw in a game)
I meant more in terms of their public image and content; it strikes me as very normie-friendly Twitch stuff.

I can't find anything on their website about the company itself which is a bit of a red flag, and the FAQ answers are mostly in-character memetalk. I clicked on the "What is Mythos' policy in regard to talent freedom?" question and, well:

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Thanks, I understand now.

According to the VTuber wiki there are two talent managers: Gaia and TrayLegacy. As for who owns the thing? Who knows.
 

Xuhle

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I meant more in terms of their public image and content; it strikes me as very normie-friendly Twitch stuff.

I can't find anything on their website about the company itself which is a bit of a red flag, and the FAQ answers are mostly in-character memetalk. I clicked on the "What is Mythos' policy in regard to talent freedom?" question and, well:

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Thanks, I understand now.

According to the VTuber wiki there are two talent managers: Gaia and TrayLegacy. As for who owns the thing? Who knows.
Tray is certainly more involved as a manager then Gaia. But you know I'm wondering if the bureaucracy is what burnt out Zeus cause she certainly seemed to want to do things as well, she could sing well and draw really good as well, but kept doing back to the react slop. If management was pushing towards that as it's just overall safe it might have stagnant for her as well.
 

God's Saddest Tattletail

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JusticeDog

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E- She's not going to fight it, but she said that she's also no longer allowed to be a vtuber. Like I can get not wanting to continue going to war with the HQ but jeez woman.
Ever? Harsh non compete :pomuStare:
 

frz

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Phase as of May actually beat Niji EN as of April, but Niji EN somehow tripled its watch hours from April to May.

Guys, I don't think Niji is going to fold EN anytime soon.
Their viewership didn't magically tripled.
They got botted 3 times as much compared to previously.
The actual jump should be around 1.2x
For example Freodore, their 5th best superchat earner of April
Has an average CCV of 2200 after 98 hours of streaming = 222 969 watch hours
His actual viewership I suspect around 700 CCV, still doing amazing, but that's = 68 728 watch hours.
Dude got his watch hours/CCV boosted by 324% - 350%
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one of the more obvious bot instances, 5k CCV with the renowned extremely linear and gradual slope
This kinda botting happens across the entire company

They probs won't fold, and the new gen is doing well as they are all top 10 in superchat. But it's kinda impossible to tell their actual viewership in this botting hell landscape niji is in
 
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God's Saddest Tattletail

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Their viewership didn't magically tripled.
They got botted 3 times as much compared to previously.
The actual jump should be around 1.2x
For example Freodore, their 5th best superchat earner of April
Has an average CCV of 2200 after 98 hours of streaming = 222 969 watch hours
His actual viewership I suspect around 700 CCV, still doing amazing, but that's = 68 728 watch hours.
Dude got his watch hours/CCV boosted by 324%
View attachment 100235
one of the more obvious bot instances, 9k1 CCV with the renowned extremely linear and gradual slope
This kinda botting happens across the entire company

They probs won't fold, and the new gen is doing well as they are all top 10 in superchat. But it's kinda impossible to tell their actual viewership in this botting hell landscape niji is in
So this is why /vt/ has been screeching about how Mari and Clio have been botting views since joining Phase eh? Sister coping and deflection, I should have guessed.
 

Banana Hammock

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Hff201

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I have just discovered a new genre of video where TTS voices read out Discord drama chatlogs verbatim. Absolute peak slop, it's actually impressive.



This shit has nearly 60,000 views.
 

NTRAntagonist

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:fishmandispair:looks like someone needs to get cucked

About Paranorma being all :optimistic:on twitter, I think there's also a chance it's an attempt to curb there being too many zealous gooners? Nsfw talents like Menace get hounded by a lot of unsocialized or lonely dudes going hhhhi in their dms all the time so it wouldn't surprise me. Then again, in my case I avoid watching anyone who's super into LGBT shit, identifies strongly with some facet of it, or is openly progressive (to which there is unfortunately massive overlap with non-straight sexuality whilst being a public-facing netizen). I don't even like "allyship". For example Bon harmlessly saying she's they/them is all it took for me to fuck off. It's probably a good ward against edgelords, but also for those who just think it's cringe or concerning. Is what it shall be: community curating is a talents right and fault.

P.s. then again if you're whoring out online, even if you're framing it as temporary hustling, you've a significant amount of responsibility for the crowd you draw.
 
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Koronesuki

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Wait, does tranny not get censored anymore? It did a couple days ago.

Testing: Yamanba
Tranny (singular) doesn't get censored; vermintide (plural) does. No, I don't understand the reasoning either.
I have just discovered a new genre of video where TTS voices read out Discord drama chatlogs verbatim. Absolute peak slop, it's actually impressive.



This shit has nearly 60,000 views.

Amusing.
 

Banana Hammock

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>click a recommended video
>see this waiting screen
Troon-Detector.png

>this is a tranny, isn't it?
>skip to 6 minutes
>male voice

Honestly, I should just stop clicking on vtubers I don't recognize at this point. 90% of the time they're a tranny.
Motherfucker. I did it again, and this time I got two vermintide.

 

CalciumAnimal

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I have just discovered a new genre of video where TTS voices read out Discord drama chatlogs verbatim. Absolute peak slop, it's actually impressive.



This shit has nearly 60,000 views.

reminds me of those 4chan text to speech videos.



I picked one of the less cursed videos i know about.
 

Aquatic Novellite

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MerelyTourist

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MerelyTourist seems to think that because Pippa got one point wrong about multistreaming that she couldn't offer any sort of useful advice at all, such as what Sakana and other managers in charge of hiring talents at Phase Connect are looking for, what a good talent application might look like for Phase Connect, or even the pros and cons of the various platforms she's tried streaming and watching talents on. If he had any less brain activity he'd be a vegetable.
Nope. Pippa have very good "best practice" advice, probably best one. But none of it is a sure recipe for success.
My point is, even the most successful creators can give one crucial bit of bad advice among good ones. Which maybe even worked for them, but now became bad (i.e. youtube algo and video length). Essentially, all content creator advice is nothing but survivor bias.
 
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