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Koronesuki

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Phase Connect already had a tiger girl before Ember joined. They probably didn't want them to be too similar. It is a shame, though.

It's also a shame that Hololive didn't make Niko an actual tiger girl instead of just vaguely tiger-themed.
 

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Phase Connect already had a tiger girl before Ember joined. They probably didn't want them to be too similar. It is a shame, though.

It's also a shame that Hololive didn't make Niko an actual tiger girl instead of just vaguely tiger-themed.
Niko still incredibly attractive though, I am surprised more westoids haven't caught on to her incredible dorky hagness.
 

Koronesuki

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Niko still incredibly attractive though, I am surprised more westoids haven't caught on to her incredible dorky hagness.
Oh, yes. She's my favorite of her gen. She's wonderful just the way she is, but I wouldn't mind if they gave her tiger ears and a tail.
 

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Niko still incredibly attractive though, I am surprised more westoids haven't caught on to her incredible dorky hagness.
FlowGlow somehow keeps evading my consciousness in a way that ReGloss didn't.
 

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Okay Tsunderia was really fucking easy lol, gonna do Phase then drop both in general as a bundle deal. I'll drop it here first for any of you crazy tards who care enough to check this thread. First fully dead agency though, one with tons of not graduated but still gone talents, and I also decided on a new design for indirect talent transfers, that didn't look as awkward, having the entire colored border and stuff felt a bit distracting from the main centerpiece which is the agency being displayed.

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Koronesuki

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You do know that Ember isn't the only former Tsunderia member in Phase, right? Or are you only doing invaders and not reincarnations?
 

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You do know that Ember isn't the only former Tsunderia member in Phase, right? Or are you only doing invaders and not reincarnations?
I know but a main rule of the chart is no reincarnations, only same character.

I will state it now so that nobody thinks I'm being some squeaky clean kayfabe tard, my reasons for no reincarnations are as follows:

1. It would be incredibly messy, it would require tons of extra info about where people were and who they became which would transform this chart into a spaghetti bowl of twisting allegiances, one of the main design philosophies I'm working on is "One person, One character" once the character dies (gets graduated) that line is over, reincarnations would mean a single person can inhabit multiple characters and lines would stretch like mad. If you want a reincarnation-based chart, then ask Proctor.

2. This chart is mainly concerned with companies, not individuals. The Vtubers here are presented as IP properties to be traded by corpos, not people, once they drop out of corpo life they stop being of the concern of the chart. One of the main objectives is to present entities in this industry in their full extent with all of their properties and publicly available information which can be understood at a glance. Following individual creators is not the point, again ask Proctor for that or make your own.

Note that tracking a individuals like this also includes non-vtuber personas, which are not in the interest of this chart, which is vtubers only. Individuals also have no incentive to kill off their self-made personas, which is unlike corpos in which the characters have a set defined lifespan and can be considered "dead" once they graduate or "out of the equation" once they go indie, thus several identities might float around in limbo for ages, which is also my reason for not including indies.

3. Reincarnations are not always verifiable. As talking about PL is still not 100% de-tabooified in this industry and even indie creators may choose to separate their online identities for whatever reason, it is not always convenient or easy to track and link all of a person's vtuber personas, some may only have been linked by comparing voices or other unreliable methods, this info is also not readily available and I could never claim a chart is "up to date" because who knows what PLs haven't been uncovered or confirmed, tons of less than popular Vtubers and JP vtubers would also be underrepresented, since searching for PLs mostly happens to EN vtubers which people care about.

4. It would attract undesirables. I do not want my charts to be an easy resource for PL-spamming retards, if they want to know about PL then they can search for it themselves, I am not obligated to spoonfeed people "le sekrit knowledge" and I don't want to be stigmatized as some kind of nyfco-wannabe.

Ember is only being linked to Kallin because she rebranded publicly, which even the vtuber wiki recognizes as meaning they are technically the same character. This is the only exception I will make. The main reason I was happy about Proctor doing his project is that it is complementary to mine, not competitive, doing these side by side allows each to be better on their own, including reincarnations would only make mine worse in the long run.
 
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Just something from another fellow chart historian
Link to their corpo graph
The substack linked is pretty informative - they even throw down some fighting words for you "It would obviously be impossible to create anything like this nowadays, with tens of thousands of virtual personalities going around."
I have linked this one before in this thread, pretty good one. Though none of the info there is anything I can't find easily.
Here is a twitter user that also did charts early on...


Have... Fun?

This one is cool thanks but I have also seen it before lol.
 

NeneLOVE

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Question for phasegods, did Loki debut a day later than the other four? She's always listed as having debuted on the 28th while the others are listed as debuting on the 27th, is this some timezone fuckery or what?

Edit: Due to the upcoming phase debuts, phase chart gonna get delayed until after they drop, don't wanna finish it and then have to modify it literally a week later just to include 3 more people, gonna update Holo in the meantime.
 
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closedblas

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Question for phasegods, did Loki debut a day later than the other four? She's always listed as having debuted on the 28th while the others are listed as debuting on the 27th, is this some timezone fuckery or what?

Edit: Due to the upcoming phase debuts, phase chart gonna get delayed until after they drop, don't wanna finish it and then have to modify it literally a week later just to include 3 more people, gonna update Holo in the meantime.
Clara and Loki were both Jan 28. All 5 were basically way too early in the morning for 99% of EOPs lul.
 

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closedblas

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28th JST? or 28th EST?
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Pico, Yuu, Memory - Jan 27, 7pm JST = Jan 27, 5am EST
Clara, Loki - Jan 28, 5pm JST = Jan 28, 3am EST
 
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