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Azehara said:

I dont trust any of these women when they say there wont be graduating nor that there wont be any more graduations this year. Maybe Ina does have a point and her going to JP often means she is there for the long run, maybe im wrong on that one. I have not really seen much of her recently, Youtube doesnt even recommend me when she's live anymore so maybe my perception was that she was fairly distant.

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"I don't trust the talent so trust me instead"
I honestly trust nobody except the talents at this point, they are the only people who know what goes on in the company.

I do find it quite fascinating how you tend to be very candid/provocative on twitter, just throwing out baseless speculation like candy and replying to reactionary takes from people, but then suddenly become a lot meeker, more reasonable and measured when on here. You do realize anything you do under the same account name WILL find its way back here?

Azehara said:

Johnny Depp is Captain Jack Sparrow. For all intents and purposes he IS the IP but the character is not his.

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It's different though. Other people wrote the character's lines, most of his characterisation is from movies which were massive group endeavours, and other people play the character (e.g. at Disney theme parks). Whereas vtuber characters are generally extremely personal creations and this is part of their appeal.
(I don't think companies reasonably can or should give away IP for free, but I do favour business models that put some ownership in the hands of the creators - I think there are better ways to fund a model and a debut than having a company take permanent 100% IP ownership)

Azehara said:

Not-Abi on her video apparently hinted at Brave being the type that would shit on you if you talked shit on them.


Johnny Depp is Captain Jack Sparrow. For all intents and purposes he IS the IP but the character is not his. I dont think companies benefit from giving away the IP unless the company is going under. Corpos also need to have some sort of control over their talents and owning the IP is the main one. Why would any talent give a shit about following the rules if they own their IP and can do whatever the fuck they want?

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Wrestling analogy is always easiest for people to understand

Yada yada Edge and Adam Copeland are the same person but you can't say Adam is Edge because Edge is WWE IP.

Azehara said:

Not-Abi on her video apparently hinted at Brave being the type that would shit on you if you talked shit on them.


Johnny Depp is Captain Jack Sparrow. For all intents and purposes he IS the IP but the character is not his. I dont think companies benefit from giving away the IP unless the company is going under. Corpos also need to have some sort of control over their talents and owning the IP is the main one. Why would any talent give a shit about following the rules if they own their IP and can do whatever the fuck they want?


I agree with the sentiment he is making but I dont think the whole "they are doing more idol things" is right though. I still think its a monetary issue.


I dont trust any of these women when they say there wont be graduating nor that there wont be any more graduations this year. Maybe Ina does have a point and her going to JP often means she is there for the long run, maybe im wrong on that one. I have not really seen much of her recently, Youtube doesnt even recommend me when she's live anymore so maybe my perception was that she was fairly distant.


I hate this whole trans rights shit. Could someone explain to me what rights don't trans people have?


For every 1 Vtuber that can cook, you get 10 that commit culinary crimes.


I dont think that has anything to do with it. He is stuck in Japan and he doesn't seem to have a the tools to make or edit a video.


Flexing on that other tard that spent 10k on her?


Yes. Thats him.


Could be a bug and its the Korean currency and it got shown as USD.

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I will pretend you are seriously asking and twitter azehara doesn't exist for a moment.
- They didnt specify graduation. They both said "it will be peaceful for a while".
- Ina is one of the only few EN that has hold multiple 3D birthday lives. (Though they are delayed to oblivion), these things take up more time than you can think of. Also why she is always in Japan


- Dont remember the clip title anymore, but at one point she realized that takodachi doesnt care if she suck at singing, and now she really enjoys doing it.
- Despite those claims she did improve massively at singing
- She might have not been idol brained during her first years. But she chose the god idol grinder (suisei) as her idol, she should be inspired/influenced by her oshi to have one now. Unlike gura who inspired fauna to graduate.
- Ina hinted at a full music album consisting of all songs using colors as name (so far she released violet, meconopsis, temari) coming out sooner than later
- If the visa yab making her unable to work for 3 months while wasting her travel and accomodation money didnt make her unhappy with Hololive enough to leave, IDK what will. She is literally tried by fire. Fauna would probs walked right then and there

dkn2038 said:

I just found the 1st case where this gif could have been used (I don't wanna be in the middle of a fight I just want to see that gif even if is against me LOL)

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Sure thing Colombo

BlueSharkTV said:

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How's it feel to know your oshi is marked for death?

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GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR said:

He posted it on twitter. Probably not him judging by his own reaction?


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She checked her analytics and it was in Korean Won, which comes out to about $7.

Never saw her face before holy shit no wonder she's a voice actor and vtuber she's the definition of a face made for radio

Phantasm said:

Never saw her face before holy shit no wonder she's a voice actor and vtuber

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Looks like a downie with tons of makeup

God's Strongest Dragoon said:

Looks like a downie with tons of makeup

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Just the sheer contrast between her real self and avatar is killing me because you can tell she's trying to look like her vtuber model but not enough to put down the damn fork

Posting face disqualifies someone as a chuba, right?

God's Strongest Dragoon said:

She checked her analytics and it was in Korean Won, which comes out to about $7.

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No wonder korea is such a fucking distopia, they all paid with monopoly money!!!!

lakyus said:

Posting face disqualifies someone as a chuba, right?

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If I had my way yes it would and that would disqualify half of Vshojo

lakyus said:

Posting face disqualifies someone as a chuba, right?

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That would disqualify Mint, unless it has to be on main.

Tubedude said:

That would disqualify Mint, unless it has to be on main.

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Yes it would have to be on main and she's been very adamant that the two are separate people and just several hours ago had to remind people of this because she's always been very into kayfabe

Phantasm said:

Never saw her face before holy shit no wonder she's a voice actor and vtuber she's the definition of a face made for radio

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For your own sake do not look up Coqui, even if she started getting roles in netflix animes.

shipmate said:

For your own sake do not look up Coqui, even if she started getting roles in netflix animes.

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Goddammit you said that knowing I'm going to have to after didn't you because I've never heard of her before

Update: thankfully after five minutes of looking I haven't found anything and my desire to continue disappeared

The Proctor said:

Vtubers owning their own identities wouldn't make the industry much better. IP management is a minefield that even very experienced vtubers run afoul of frequently. The smart ones would benefit, but it would leave a lot of less well-educated and business-savvy vtubers in positions of responsibility they aren't prepared for. It's a bit like saying that instead of letting the government pay you in fiat currency, you should be given gold or silver so you truly own your wealth. Some people would massively benefit, but most would just squander the opportunity and get taken advantage of in various ways.

I'm in favour of a talent getting ownership of their IP after they've made the company profit equal to their initial investment costs plus a mutually agreed-upon percentage. Companies shouldn't be able to fuck with a talent arbitrarily, but neither should the talent have the power to destroy the company in a fit of menhera pique. Checks & balances.

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I personally thinks there are pros and cons for both approach.

But the guy himself acknowledged he know nothing about the scene and decide to not comment and that and that earned my respect more than people who blab about things without knowing.
And vtubing are not the first time corpo tries to produce streamer. There is this notorious group called Faze, which offer a 10% revenue share contract on ALL earnings (they take 90% on merch, sponsor, donations). It got revealed when one of their biggest streamers decided to sue them to get out of said contract. This is the kind of streamer org the average normie/twitch streamers know of.

The vtubing itself is in a weird space, corpo are already unprofitable as fuck with the death rate of 99.99% after 2 years. Hololive can afford losing their biggest streamers, but not, actually not even Phase would do well losing their top 2 right now. There is also most of the western girls being uncooperative menhera (see the current EIEN debacle). On the other hand, most corpo enters the scene expecting just needing to front the live2D cost and do nothing else. I don't think there's a pefect answer.

Azehara said:

Johnny Depp is Captain Jack Sparrow. For all intents and purposes he IS the IP but the character is not his. I dont think companies benefit from giving away the IP unless the company is going under. Corpos also need to have some sort of control over their talents and owning the IP is the main one. Why would any talent give a shit about following the rules if they own their IP and can do whatever the fuck they want?

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It's not very comparable because every movie with Jack Sparrow in it will always have a giant "Johny Depp as Jack Sparrow" in every promotional materials released and in the movie itself. Vtubing and Jack Sparrow is different in that way.
Yes there are people who do not want their vtuber account to be linked with their IRL account like Mint. But the argument is that the person themself should be making that choice not the corporation

Re:AcT's Lisa Makoh is singing.


774inc's Hebiyoi Tier interviewing ex Noripro Shirayuki Mishiro at 7PM JST.


At 8PM JST, probably Shion's last bistro visit to Choco and Lui's


Lamy and the difference between streaming and recorded voices.

Both combined makes the complete Lamy GFE.

More AZKi abusing the Okayu punching bag.

Azehara said:

I dont trust any of these women when they say there wont be graduating nor that there wont be any more graduations this year. Maybe Ina does have a point and her going to JP often means she is there for the long run, maybe im wrong on that one. I have not really seen much of her recently, Youtube doesnt even recommend me when she's live anymore so maybe my perception was that she was fairly distant.

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Got your power back and already doubling down on your dumb take I see. Either watch Ina so you actually know what you're talking about, or stop talking about her.

lakyus said:

Posting face disqualifies someone as a chuba, right?

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You do realize that this disqualifies Nerissa too, right