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[BlueSharkTV]

What kind of rrat is that?

there's multiple KroFau rrats but most of them are just repurposed pekomiko copypastas, they all pretty much just mean they hate each other for whatever reason people make up.
there was probably something that did happen since they suddenly stopped collabing out of nowhere when Nimi was still in Holo and Dottovu doesn't follow Nimi.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

there's multiple KroFau rrats but most of them are just repurposed pekomiko copypastas, they all pretty much just mean they hate each other for whatever reason people make up.
there was probably something that did happen since they suddenly stopped collabing out of nowhere when Nimi was still in Holo and Dottovu doesn't follow Nimi.

Well Nimi is a bitch so good enough reason

 

[Smelliest007]

The defeatist rage will be exquisite.

Edit
Have some clips from the stream.

 

[Koros Apogee]

Delutaya is live on Twitch playing Lol Teamfight Tactics.


Yesterday, she did a second DBD stream on Youtube.

 

[Horo7618]

Minto on break

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Minto on break

Oh Kiara is there too...

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

Oh Kiara is there too...

It's not really a joke. It's clear the friend groups align their Japan trips a lot.

Though the kind of funny bit, post the graduation cycle and some of the internal discussions breaking out, is that the early gen HoloJP have turned Subaru's place into a group crash pad. I gather it's close to one of the main lines.

 

[Horo7618]

Doki:

Dooby:

 

[Smelliest007]

Doki:

Wtf, she didn't have a pop filter this whole time?

 

[Horo7618]

Wtf, she didn't have a pop filter this whole time?

She just got a new mic and didn't buy one for it right off, I think her old mic might have had one.

 

[sbm]

The result of this forum being purely Youtube-centric. Is there a single EN Youtube indie that's made it to high 3-view status without going through a corpo first? Nevermind 4-view. Even disregarding the ex-Holos and Nijis the only ones that come to mind with those noombas are Nene Amano and Rin Penrose, or Miori Celesta and Kanna who barely tread around a 400-600 CCV average. All of them are still ex-corpo.
On the other hand you have a ton of non-coomerbaiting Twitch indies. Ellie Minibot is at 1.2k average and inclining, Grimmi is at 1.6k, Fishman just poached marimari and Clio who reached similar numbers, all of them just from organic growth. People here can think that Twitch culture is a garbage fire and dislike even dual streaming as much as they want, the reality is that discoverability on Youtube is fucking ass and not beginning your vtubing career on Twitch is like shooting yourself in the foot with a grenade launcher at the beginning of the race.

Mythia Batford and Rima Evenstar are youtube-grown and fully indie. That's pretty much it for EN-speaking though. Several more JP and fully-ID examples. Nihmune/Numi is Twitch-grown but has been multistreaming for a while with 2k viewership on YT.


You're not wrong though, it's all ex-corpo or at best in the 400 viewer range like PillowDear.

 

[Horo7618]

The defeatist rage will be exquisite.

Edit
Have some clips from the stream.

Aaand here's why she was playing:

 

[Smelliest007]

More Wii mileage.

 

[Horo7618]

Another Rivals event:

Spoiler: more

 

[Negronald Trump]

Another Rivals event:

Spoiler: more

Let me just say, Doki is winning while Bint is still seething.

All is well again, Inshallah.

 

[God's Strongest Dragoon]

Another Rivals event:

Spoiler: more

>they put Doki next to Bogur
There's no way they didn't see this shit

Spoiler: tweet link

 

[Horo7618]

>they put Doki next to Bogur
There's no way they didn't see this shit
View attachment 99230

Spoiler: tweet link

She did play with him at least a time or two after though:

 

[Kanna's Glowiest Assistant]

Now that it's Friday and I'm in front of my computer I can respond to this post, sorry for necro-ing an old topic

Being honest, YT does show really low CCV streams and really low view videos on the side, take this one as an example, right now I'm watching IRyS playing Clair obscur and on the side is this:

I don't know who this is and I don't watch gacha shit but it's on the side of the current stream and it only has 37 views right now, or this stream:

I don't know who this is either and the stream only has 15 CCV right now and it doesn't have anything to do with IRyS.

It's not that Youtube never recommends smaller channels. But the choices it has made as a platform, particularly when it come to UI, have a significant negative impact to discoverability compared to Twitch's. Let's look at the average screen a user sees when watching a stream on each platform:

On Youtube, if the chat is open the stream and chat cover almost the entirety of the view, only a single video suggestion is visible which 90+% of the time is from the same channel or a clip. Users have to actively scroll down to look for other videos or streams, and most of those once again will be directly related to the streamer they're watching. The most probable opportunities for discoverability are either raids (a relatively recent feature) or the video suggestion window that appears on the player at the end of stream.

On Twitch the suggestion bar is open by default and it shows at the same time which of your follows are streaming, but also 2 sets of suggestions that the algorithm is curating for you. Jumping to them is seamless with just 1 click and they change from time to time to grab your attention.

YT does show low view things, however why would I click on the stream or videos if I don't care about the topic or don't know who the cannel owner is? the same would happen if I would be using twitch because there's zero reason for me to click on something I don't care about, if anything the blame is on the channel owner as they don't really have anything note worthy on the thumbnail or title that tells me why I should bother clicking on the stream or video.
I'm not saying they should clickbait since that would make me click on don't recommend this channel instantly but the content creators should consider what they play or stream since not everyone cares about really obscure shit or gacha, which for VTubers it means not everyone clicks on things blindly and placing their model on the thumbnail can be very important to catch people's attention and maybe snatch a viewer or two in the process. so saying YT doesn't promote channels is quite far from the truth since the issue comes down to preference.

In my opinion the need to make attractive thumbnails is a barrier to discoverability. Like you said a bad thumbnail put you off from checking those channels out, and who's going to make bad thumbnails? New content creators. Twitch actually levels the playing field by removing thumbnails as a factor and only leaving the streamer's pfp and the stream title that appears when you hover over their username.
A lot of these are just completely rational choices that come from the fact that Twitch is first and foremost a streaming platform, whereas Youtube is a general video hosting service that just happens to allow live streaming.

 

[BlueSharkTV]

On Youtube, if the chat is open the stream and chat cover almost the entirety of the view, only a single video suggestion is visible which 90+% of the time is from the same channel or a clip. Users have to actively scroll down to look for other videos or streams, and most of those once again will be directly related to the streamer they're watching. The most probable opportunities for discoverability are either raids (a relatively recent feature) or the video suggestion window that appears on the player at the end of stream.

the first stream I posted was the first suggestion, the second stream was the fifth, I have been actively clicking the don't recommend this channel option whenever I get something I don't care about, before I did that there were at least 4 or 5 streams/video suggestions but it went down to 2 as I have been getting rid of the recommendations.

On Twitch the suggestion bar is open by default and it shows at the same time which of your follows are streaming, but also 2 sets of suggestions that the algorithm is curating for you. Jumping to them is seamless with just 1 click and they change from time to time to grab your attention.

so does YouTube? it doesn't change the suggestions but if you keep scrolling it gives you some new ones too.

Twitch actually levels the playing field by removing thumbnails as a factor and only leaving the streamer's pfp and the stream title that appears when you hover over their username.
A lot of these are just completely rational choices that come from the fact that Twitch is first and foremost a streaming platform, whereas Youtube is a general video hosting service that just happens to allow live streaming.

believe it or not YouTube has something similar if you don't use a thumbnail for your stream, it shows you a randomly generated thumbnail from something currently happening in said stream, it happens for Nerissa (from Hololive) when she gets lazy and doesn't use a thumbnail, if you refresh the page it also changes to a different moment of the stream which shows you what you are getting into before you click on it.
YouTube also shows what's happening on the stream if you hover over the stream/thumbnail on the main/front page and it can also play audio if you click on an icon.

I really fail to see what twitch has to offer nowadays over YouTube, raids are probably the only thing twitch has to push someone but considering how shit awful the community is I doubt you want random shitters just walking in an spamming their unfunny shit everywhere.

 

[God's Strongest Dragoon]

I really fail to see what twitch has to offer nowadays over YouTube, raids are probably the only thing twitch has to push someone but considering how shit awful the community is I doubt you want random shitters just walking in an spamming their unfunny shit everywhere.

channel points, especially gambling with them. That's the only thing from Twitch I want youtube to port over.