Hololive General

[Negzana]

Unfortunately Hololive is the 11,000lb gorilla of the industry. Whenever it does anything, there's clicks to be had commentating on it in any way.

Hololive went through it's drama year in 2020, years before everyone else did. It also didn't go through 2024 unscathed. So people even more hypercritical because they smell blood from a company that should have been past its drama days.

 

[Ego]

I love all of the EOPs in her replies acting all serious and "Enough is enough" like their opinions about a person most of them have never even watched or maybe didn't even know existed matter. Like they KNOW the company's internals and how the talents feel and why they left.

I wish I could seriously believe this many people are actually mad about it, but with how the internet is I cannot help but always question how many of these "MORAL PANIC" people are just falseflaggers, Holo antis or Nijisisters getting their "Revenge". The truth of the matter is that Shion was NEVER popular in the west and she's been gone for so long and so often that I don't think most people have the right to complain or claim they are actually mad about anything.

That's been a thing with Holo I have noticed more and more. When something else explodes, it's that corpo's problem. When Holo explodes, it seems like EVERYONE has an issue with it. I question if this is just because of popularity and jealousy, specially when the people who "Care" about it are those who normally happily shit on the company, its fans, the talents and everything involved in it.

Jesus it hasn't even been a day and you monkeys are already circling the wagons over the tiniest of slights. Everyone with a criticism is an outsider tourist, only My Company gets criticism (even when it's earned) and there's never a gradient; everyone makes all of My Company's problems out to be the biggest kind of problem.

As nice as it would be to have this kind of reality-agnostic apologism in its own space, I'd hate for it go uncontested with any greater regularity. The split was an awful idea; having so much in one area kept people honest.

 

[BlueSharkTV]

@The Proctor can we have niji rules in EVERY thread? the more happenings any company goes through the more retards will shit the threads. if dedicated threads are supposed to stay it will only get worse with this type of retarded posts:

Jesus it hasn't even been a day and you monkeys are already circling the wagons over the tiniest of slights. Everyone with a criticism is an outsider tourist, only My Company gets criticism (even when it's earned) and there's never a gradient; everyone makes all of My Company's problems out to be the biggest kind of problem.

As nice as it would be to have this kind of reality-agnostic apologism in its own space, I'd hate for it go uncontested with any greater regularity. The split was an awful idea; having so much in one area kept people honest.

 

[Negzana]

Honestly I don't get going crazy over Shion of all Holomems when it was clear she had checked out since 2023. Fauna's graduation actually warranted worry given how unusual the announcement was, but Shion was known to be a menhera who literally took a hiatus because she didn't even know what it was like outside of being a vtuber. Her graduation was all but expected after Aqua left. The only shock of it was the announcement coming in the time before Holofes which seemed like a safe period from any bad announcements.

 

[The Proctor]

@The Proctor can we have niji rules in EVERY thread? the more happenings any company goes through the more retards will shit the threads. if dedicated threads are supposed to stay it will only get worse with this type of retarded posts:

I have been working on post guidelines similar to those that KF displays for each relevant thread. The Niji thread already mentions that drivebys are illegal everywhere but it's just not explicitly stated because it should be common sense, but I'll include it as a note in the other threads when I'm done. It shouldn't take more than a day or so.

 

[NeneLOVE]

Jesus it hasn't even been a day and you monkeys are already circling the wagons over the tiniest of slights. Everyone with a criticism is an outsider tourist, only My Company gets criticism (even when it's earned) and there's never a gradient; everyone makes all of My Company's problems out to be the biggest kind of problem.

Please read:

Yeah but I don't wanna fall into the classic trap of "everyone who is negative is a haydurr" it's just that the internet, specially nowadays, makes it basically impossible to know how people really feel. You have people like that Mahdeensky dude who even got into a moderator position in the vtubers reddit while actively hating Holo.

As nice as it would be to have this kind of reality-agnostic apologism in its own space, I'd hate for it go uncontested with any greater regularity. The split was an awful idea; having so much in one area kept people honest.

My guy, do you know WHO is this whole forum was MOST against the split?
WHO has been an ardent advocate against splitting the threads because it would go wrong since 2022?
Please lurk the forum for 5000 years before posting

Fuck off, if you cannot respond to me in a manner that isn't *angry chimp noises* then don't even bother, just give me a sticker. I am up for discussion if people want to have it, Idk what gave everyone the idea that it is totally worthless to simply go "I don't agree with you because..."

 

[tarkanoltr]

IRyS' Live:

 

[RiverBear]

IRyS' Live:
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Is it wrong that I was hoping her announcement was graduation also

 

[God's Strongest Wardog]

>10 graduations (not including terminations) in 7 years
>m-muh black company

> Not a single graduate of them have tried to an-hero.
Total Victory!
Do your black corpo reps, Yagoo!

Anti-retard warranty: this is a joke.

 

[NeneLOVE]

> Not a single graduate of them have tried to an-hero.
Total Victory!
Do your black corpo reps, Yagoo!

Anti-retard warranty: this is a joke.

Aloe did, FAKE FAN

I was gonna respond but didn't want to be called a retard

You're a retard

 

[Negzana]

> Not a single graduate of them have tried to an-hero.
Total Victory!
Do your black corpo reps, Yagoo!

Anti-retard warranty: this is a joke.

Aloe did, FAKE FAN

I was gonna respond but didn't want to be called a retard

 

[Ensok]

I wasn't even thinking about this earlier but I guess the magical girl thing is dead in the water since Shion and Chloe were both on the dark team with Marine. I really love magical girls too...

 

[nooternun]

The actual plan is graduating when she is 27 years old (so in 4 years)

I Am going to miss all the interactions she had with Lap
Despite being almost the same age she felt like an older sister

Why 27? I want hag Lap! Watching a 50 year old Lap on my death bed, sending a superchat and having her laugh as I die...

The non-compete was theorized to be against other companies Dooby's an Indie so I don't think they'd be able to stop her from streaming altogether

What company would she join and for what reason? Maybe VSPO, I know Nose is almost beyond help, never going outside but they still have obligations like Holo. There have been some JP companies with non-compete clauses but they leak so I think not especially as Cover doesn't care even if you open a company that directly rivals them on your alt like Matsuri did.

Not sure how true it is since I rarely keep up with Shion, but I saw someone elsewhere say that she very recently mentioned that she had bought some new streaming-related equipment.

Yeah, in a members stream she talked about a new mic. Sources are: 2chan and resetera

On one hand, it's a long career, both for an idol and for a streamer. And she's seen and done everything Hololive had to offer, and it's changed so much from when she started.

On the other hand, other members of the company are out there proving that there are even greater heights to reach.



Pure speculation, but I wonder if some of the absentee members got prompted something like "when do you plan on returning to regular activities" or "what are your long term plans", and over the course of many such communications everyone who answered "no plans lol" realizes it's not for them. Whereas people who still have ambitions don't even realize that there's anything wrong. I wonder if that explains the difference between graduating on "differences in direction" vs some of the reassurances other members have put out. Again pure speculation on my part.

I don't understand the idea that Cover would pressure talents to do anything really. They clearly defined their future goal of leveraging IP so why do anything that leads to someone leaving. Shion is very popular, both as an IP and as the person behind it. Shion was part of Holowitches and generally is very marketable even if she isn't streaming. When she does stream her CCV is high and she got 12k for 5 streams last month plus at least 2k members based on stats from her chat. Money any which way.

Lots of people talk about the change of direction thing, it's the main JP talking point that the Idol pivot and not supporting streams is the direction issue. The fact is that both Niji and Holo OGs have found the companies they joined is not the same. I am sure it's a slow build up of small hurdles from manager meetings to perm conditions (note: Cover used to not do perms and almost got everyone's channels deleted). Even the personal things like doing their taxes or not talking about certain things with friends (Kson moved and Mel got fired for this). It's a lifestyle to be a Hololive. whether you stream or not. Fauna and Ame are the only volunteer graduates that have had a shitty "real" job and they subscribe to the EN idea that being indie is better then corporate. It's the inverse of the JP mentality. Shion needs to be on her own and I hope she finds happiness. She sounded emotional announcing the graduation but it's great to hear that her fans helped her motivation to take care of herself.

That said, the little shit will now never finish the Aqua/Shion mural in the old server.

12 hours?! Daaaammn, share me some of that melatonin.

Matsuri too.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Jesus it hasn't even been a day and you monkeys are already circling the wagons over the tiniest of slights. Everyone with a criticism is an outsider tourist, only My Company gets criticism (even when it's earned) and there's never a gradient; everyone makes all of My Company's problems out to be the biggest kind of problem.

As nice as it would be to have this kind of reality-agnostic apologism in its own space, I'd hate for it go uncontested with any greater regularity. The split was an awful idea; having so much in one area kept people honest.

 

[The Proctor]

12 hours?! Daaaammn, share me some of that melatonin.

I've slept 12 hours at a time when my ADHD has been at its worst and my body has synched to a bizarre 30/12 hour ratio of awake to asleep. It leaves you feeling like you've been beaten with hammers after maybe one or two cycles. I've no clue how she manages it consistently without serious pain.

 

[frz]

The non-compete was theorized to be against other companies Dooby's an Indie so I don't think they'd be able to stop her from streaming altogether

Yes full graduation like Lemonleaf, Sakuna & others are joining corpos right now left and right!!!!!!!! They didn't went affiliate so they could all join a corpo together!!

Why 27? I want hag Lap! Watching a 50 year old Lap on my death bed, sending a superchat and having her laugh as I die...

What company would she join and for what reason? Maybe VSPO, I know Nose is almost beyond help, never going outside but they still have obligations like Holo. There have been some JP companies either non-compete clauses but they leak so I think not especially as Cover doesn't care even if you open a company that directly rivals them on your alt like Matsuri did.

Yeah, in a members stream she talked about a new mic. Sources are: 2chan and resetera

I don't understand the idea that Cover would pressure talents to do anything really. They clearly defined their future goal of leveraging IP so why do anything that leads to someone leaving. Shion is very popular, both as an IP and as the person behind it. Shion was part of Holowitches and generally is very marketable even if she isn't streaming. When she does stream her CCV is high and she got 12k for 5 streams last week plus at least 2k members based on stats from her chat. Money any which way.

Lots of people talk about the change of direction thing, it's the main JP talking point that the Idol pivot and not supporting streams is the direction issue. The fact is that both Niji and Holo OGs have found the companies they joined is not the same. I am sure it's a slow build up of small hurdles from manager meetings to perm conditions (note: Cover used to not do perms and almost got everyone's channels deleted). Even the personal things like doing their taxes or not talking about certain things with friends (Kson moved and Mel got fired for this). It's a lifestyle to be a Hololive. whether you stream or not. Fauna and Ame are the only volunteer graduates that haven't had a shitty "real" job and they subscribe to the EN idea that being indie is better then corporate. It's the inverse of the JP mentality. Shion needs to be on her own and I hope get finds happiness. She sounded emotional announcing the graduation but it's great to hear that her fans helped her motivation to take care of herself.

That said, the little shit will now never finish the Aqua/Shion mural in the old server.


Matsuri too.

I 100% don't believe in the affiliate = non-compete, graduate = no-noncompete rrats.
But if you asked for a possible destination corpo for a streamer post-holo
VShojo exists, it is still a very good destination to go for post-holo. All the "talent freedom", small cut, lots of friends there by now. Surprised noone took the deal yet.
VSPO is hard to get into because they have a "top gamer" requirement. Last I checked Shion isn't a master ranked player at any game.

I don't understand the idea that Cover would pressure talents to do anything really. They clearly defined their future goal of leveraging IP so why do anything that leads to someone leaving. Shion is very popular, both as an IP and as the person behind it. Shion was part of Holowitches

You answered your own question mate. When people say they just want to stream, Holowitches, signing card games, doing valentines voicelines, promoting random shit a.k.a "leveraging IP" is what they don't want to do. Even though those are things that an indie has to do to make money. These girls are too young and never had to fight as an indie to realize how crucial sponsorship and ad-read is to a content creator. They think any thing Holo made them do to earn money are crap that noone else are supposed to do.

I think this is definitely true for Aqua. Honestly I don't trust Shion's crap and think she's just copying Aqua's homework and scripts because it's just a lot easier than to lay everything out (without hitting NDA). She doesn't even stream. Her real reason is mental health. Not the different in direction crap.

 

[I Wanna Die]

I was promised increased tribalism in the banter thread. This is literally the same as always, let me help you all get started.

Phase hate, Niji Hate, Indie Hate.

HOLO LOVE

 

[nooternun]

I 100% don't believe in the affiliate = non-compete, graduate = no-noncompete rrats.
But if you asked for a possible destination corpo for a streamer post-holo
VShojo exists, it is still a very good destination to go for post-holo. All the "talent freedom", small cut, lots of friends there by now. Surprised noone took the deal yet.
VSPO is hard to get into because they have a "top gamer" requirement. Last I checked Shion isn't a master ranked player at any game.


You answered your own question mate. When people say they just want to stream, Holowitches, signing card games, doing valentines voicelines, promoting random shit a.k.a "leveraging IP" is what they don't want to do. Even though those are things that an indie has to do to make money. These girls are too young and never had to fight as an indie to realize how crucial sponsorship and ad-read is to a content creator. They think any thing Holo made them do to earn money are crap that noone else are supposed to do.

I think this is definitely true for Aqua. Honestly I don't trust Shion's crap and think she's just copying Aqua's homework and scripts because it's just a lot easier than to lay everything out (without hitting NDA). She doesn't even stream. Her real reason is mental health. Not the different in direction crap.

Shion at vshojo is as likely as Mikeneko at phase.

My main point about the pressure is that if Shion says, "I can't do all this work!" then Cover could respect that. Holowitches could be a manga instead. Shion doesn't want to VA? Official Shion soundboard. The TCG? Shion does nothing. Literally, the affiliate option has the Ame mascot at fes, does anyone think Dooby had to do work for that? Personally, I think the narrative that they are forced to work is wrong. Multiple Holos have talked about turning down work because they don't want to. Remember Ame being the only Holo not to do the New Years countdown?

 

[tarkanoltr]

Next batch of Relax Time (more affordable) figurines announced:

 

[White Stone]

About being "forced" to work or not.

I know there have been talents who have implied or even straight-out said that even Fes participation is not mandatory. (I I don't have the source, this is all second hand information.) But I still have some doubts on that.

Sure, maybe on paper it is optional, but there is probably huge "pressure" for a talent to take part in it. Imagine if someone just opted out of Fes, unless you have a very good reason (like Haachama opted out of 5th Fes because she was sick, but still appeared as a guest in the end), I don't think the fanbase will react well.