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To speak rather uncharitably about AI as a whole- AI is a marketing term, we're nowhere near the scifi stuff everyone either dreams or has nightmares of. I like Neuro, but imagine thinking a machine learning algorithm has actual opinions or a sense of morality, and yet these Twitter people are slamming Neuro for "her opinions" and not mentioning Vedal at all, in addition to the lack of knowledge they display by saying that the first thing she did was to deny the Holocaust when that was nowhere near her first stream.
As for the objections to the Momose Hiyori model that got mentioned in Rev's video, Neuro literally just got a new model of her own and the collab used that model, so while that objection is slightly less stupid it is just as groundless.
As for the objections to the Momose Hiyori model that got mentioned in Rev's video, Neuro literally just got a new model of her own and the collab used that model, so while that objection is slightly less stupid it is just as groundless.
Okay but where's the "Zug zugs ONLY" cut?
Yeah, I'm tempted to make PSA video explaining why Shiina is WRONG about the definition of Piazuri.... but yeah probably can't go on youtube
She's on the first song right now and it's just as good as I figured it would be considering the quality of her debut cover.
Edit: Adding the link to the debut cover. I really quite like it. Kou's was also very good too.
Why, though? Debut lore is one thing, hypes people up for you or whatever, but why do Vtubers who hardly ever bring up their lore decide to do a further followup on it, only to never bring it up again anyway? Unless you wanna go the Mayuzumi route, which I don't think I've seen anyone try so far, it seems like a pointless waste of resources.
Because retards love that shit? People love "lore" even if it's the chuuniest, cringiest shit in the universe written by some edgy college student, people really like creating stupid headcannons for shit and they love it when that same shit encourages this behavior.
Is basically writing a fanfiction of yourself, if you like writing a creating stories it makes sense to invest into it for your own personal enjoyment, it might be a waste of money in terms of audience grow and revenue, but he probably likes to write a direct this kinda of lore stuff.
The only thing lore is good for is when you want to talk about real-life stuff and you want a fun way of saying "I'm not sharing my personal information". Like, "how old am I? Ten thousand years old, you need to catch up on my lore, man."
okay but why is she not in Indonesia rn? Also did she bring all her VR equipment with her to do todays Holoro VR collab then?To be honest, Ollie's yabai levels are much higher than Bae's, so her playthrough could result in a man-made horror beyond management's comprehension.
"Ellie's wise beyond her years, I swear... Ever since she started hanging out with her normie friends, she has changed..."
Ollie: I thought that girls who come to my meet and greets are like, they're coming just for haha, you know, just for the funni, but it turns out they're all die-hard fans and I was shocked!
Chat #1: After 2 years, Ollie, really?
Chat #2: You've got the bi powers, ma'am.
Ollie: Bi powers, is it? <incredibly smug smile>
Her next song will be in Indonesian, but there's a small problem as her language has too much syllables and the translated version of the text doesn't match the original melody.
"That's an impressive doctor: old but buff, and can fly! Amazing!" - talking about her physician, who doubles as her gym trainer somehow and apparently tries to get her hooked on bodybuilding
ID Gen 2 collectively decided they're going to wait for the proper 3D showcase instead of using it casually, because they want it to be something special both for them and for the audience. Truly, the paragons of anime waifu tradwives.
"If I get another outfit, I've already drafted what I want to look like, and it's something you've never seen in Hololive before! Pray that it comes through, okay? I think it's an innovation, like really no one in Hololive has done it, ever! And I've checked! (checks chat) Naked? NOOO! Not naked! (reads another) Is it a fursuit? No, I think Korone-senpai has done a fursuit before... (reads some more) Olivia? OLIVIA'S DEAD, SHE'S NOT SHOWING UP."
Spill more of Ollies beans
90 days, provided without comment
I have watched him for awhile when Nux Taku was pushed hard by yt algorithm. He struck me as one of the more decent people in his videos. In my reading, yes, he's autistic as fuck AND heavily depressed, hence my sympathy. I still think he is honest and credible, even if he hypes up his knowledge a bit for stream content. However, my sympathy ends when he makes statements which IMHO can be result exclusively of either uncritical succumbing to societal pressure or clout chasing.
There was another collab month ago with Koe, Nagzz and Onigiri. Anyone knows what is Koe and Nagzz stance on loli? Normally I wouldn't care but I'm curious if they share similar level of retardation with Evan. My assumption at the moment is that they are smart and just avoid the topic.
Three streams in a week? A collab with a two-view?90 days, provided without comment
When I said Nanobites was speedrunning turning from a three-view into a two-view, it was a shitpost. I didn't think she was trying it for real.
Here's a terrifying thought, go to a Walmart if you don't have a coast nearby.
Sure deep dive below
Keep in mind this is my first video I watched on the drama I never watched Idubbz or his apology so all my context will come from Nux
He started by saying both sides (pro edgy humor and anti) are cringe for imposing their own morals on anyone
He says he hates how there is no nuance when people are discussing any topic it's always extreme one side or the other
In this case everyone is either "all edgy jokes are cool and slurs are funny and stuff"
Or " Idubbz has seen the light and is a beacon of hope of humanity"
He says neither himself or anyone has any right to tell you what is morally right
Every culture has different morals based on different things and that makes the world beautiful
People say this is wrong but he says that unless it's a crime or actually hurts someone else he disagrees
For him personally Nux says shouting slurs should not happen cause it hurts people (people are gonna bring up his N-word video not knowing the n word was nipple and that was the joke)
He says he doesn't think reasonable people disagree that Idubbz slur usage was bad they just think he doesn't need to act like he caused 9/11 over it because he used the N-word 8 years ago
Nux reiterates he doesn't use slurs and he thinks it's a bad attribute to do so but he acknowledges that is his subjective viewpoint
He says that slur usage can be a factor in determining if someone is a good or bad person but it's far from the only qualifier
he thinks people that harassing and tell people to kill themselves over slur usage is just as bad as saying the slur (sounds like an indirect veibae defense)
"Same toxicity in a more flowery package"
He thinks the Internet is largely this form of flowery toxicity nowadays
He thinks the Internet is more toxic now than in 2016 when slurs were used as shock comedy (agreed)
He says content cop vids were videos making fun of bad content and said that Idubbz dunking on leafy in leafy style is not very bad compared to today's cancel culture
"The packaging was edgy and does not have a place in today's society in his subjective opinion"
He thinks the Idubbz hate comes from 2 things
#1 when you get cancelled you only get truly cancelled if you betray your audience you can be as horrible a person as you want and never get truly cancelled if your audience supports your behavior
But if you claim to be a good virtuous person and then people find out you are a POS behind the scenes then you are not the person you sold to your audience and the audience will betray you and the cancelation might stick
In Idubbz case by making his apology he has betrayed the audience he garnered so he is "losing the war"
If you do genuinely want to change should you never show that to your audience? Nux thinks you should be able to change your content however you want
he believes that his audience isn't mad because he changed he is mad he denounced them (unlike filthy frank)
Nux doesn't believe that Idubbz is grifting because edgy content not monetizable anymore he believes Idubbz actually hates himself for who he used to be but the timing is unfortunate for him
#2 Idubbz has become the flowery toxic based on his treatment of froggy fresh (firing him for collabing with Sam Hyde and making him pay back the money they used to train him) and it sent a lot of hate at both him and Froggy from different sides of the internet
Ironically it's the same kind of harassment that targets of his content cop vids got
He did not make a content cop on sam Hyde but basically made a serious documentary version trashing him and again any harassment Sam got was the same kind of any Content cop target but it wasn't a fun comedic poking fun video like Content cop was "it was the 2023 approach to content where everything is incredibly serious"
"In Modern day drama you aren't making fun of someone for making bad content you are trying your hardest to eviscerate them not just in the public eye but in the eyes of sponsors and the world"
So despite the entire video of Idubbz saying he has grown from being " a 26 year old child" seems like he is still doing the exact same thing without the slurs he is packaging the same harassment and attitude in a more woke style than before and this is the ultimate betrayal of an audience
He says that he uses the word betrayal in this case not as a crime or something he can't do but it is the reason he is getting all this hate
He says he wants and has tried to be objective in this analysis
Cancel culture works through betraying the audience you foster so that they no longer support you that is the only time it can take root
Nux has haters but as long as his audience does not get betrayed his audience will be on his side he will be fine despite the fact 100k people on Twitter remind him relatively frequently they want him dead
He believes Idubbz is completely within his rights to do all this
So far in the vid Nux has talked about this from a monetary objective perspective
But he wants to make it clear that despite all the Idubbz hate and his understanding of where it comes from Idubbz is allowed to do whatever the hell he wants just like anyone else
Both sides in this debate are wrong
He hates having a nuanced take because he is gonna get taken out of context
One side is saying only racists hate Idubbz now
"As the inclusive people that don't want to offend others I hope we can round them all up and shoot them" (mocking that side) " as a person that wants to be kind to others i wanna shoot people that disagree with me" (lol)
The other side is saying is saying he is a traitor and is wife is a monster
Nux says both sides are wrong he has the right to change even if you don't consider it growth maybe you don't think he grew but from Idubbz own perspective he did and he wants to be happy
The Idubbz apology was not sad because he changed or got hate for it it's because it was a man didn't like who he was and how he wants to change but will live his entire life being a man he hated
Whether you like the man he was before or not thats not why it was so sad
The Idubbz vid is one of the saddest Nux has ever seen the Internet is a scary place everything you do is judged by Millions and everyone is different if he wants to be a certain person who are you to tell him not to be that person but tbf "who is Idubbz to tell you to be"
Moral grandstanding is one of Nux's least favorite things if you are toxic he will be toxic back if you are wholesome he will return that too
It's The only correct mindset
Nux thinks he is a more wholesome and inclusive person than 99% of the people who try to cancel him
The packaging doesn't matter personally to him he cares about what is inside and if doing your best and you are trying to be a good person then he can get along with you
If you are trying to be an asshole he can still get along with you Nux is kind of an asshole himself
He requests his Audience to be the bigger man and not harass anyone just laugh like him
"Do something dumb no need for harassment
Betray ideals no need for harassment
Just Sit here and laugh, laugh at the idiocy of the world don't lower yourself and demean yourself by getting involved in it"
He is going to do a video on Sam Hyde
He says he hates how there is no nuance when people are discussing any topic it's always extreme one side or the other
In this case everyone is either "all edgy jokes are cool and slurs are funny and stuff"
Or " Idubbz has seen the light and is a beacon of hope of humanity"
He says neither himself or anyone has any right to tell you what is morally right
Every culture has different morals based on different things and that makes the world beautiful
People say this is wrong but he says that unless it's a crime or actually hurts someone else he disagrees
For him personally Nux says shouting slurs should not happen cause it hurts people (people are gonna bring up his N-word video not knowing the n word was nipple and that was the joke)
He says he doesn't think reasonable people disagree that Idubbz slur usage was bad they just think he doesn't need to act like he caused 9/11 over it because he used the N-word 8 years ago
Nux reiterates he doesn't use slurs and he thinks it's a bad attribute to do so but he acknowledges that is his subjective viewpoint
He says that slur usage can be a factor in determining if someone is a good or bad person but it's far from the only qualifier
he thinks people that harassing and tell people to kill themselves over slur usage is just as bad as saying the slur (sounds like an indirect veibae defense)
"Same toxicity in a more flowery package"
He thinks the Internet is largely this form of flowery toxicity nowadays
He thinks the Internet is more toxic now than in 2016 when slurs were used as shock comedy (agreed)
He says content cop vids were videos making fun of bad content and said that Idubbz dunking on leafy in leafy style is not very bad compared to today's cancel culture
"The packaging was edgy and does not have a place in today's society in his subjective opinion"
He thinks the Idubbz hate comes from 2 things
#1 when you get cancelled you only get truly cancelled if you betray your audience you can be as horrible a person as you want and never get truly cancelled if your audience supports your behavior
But if you claim to be a good virtuous person and then people find out you are a POS behind the scenes then you are not the person you sold to your audience and the audience will betray you and the cancelation might stick
In Idubbz case by making his apology he has betrayed the audience he garnered so he is "losing the war"
If you do genuinely want to change should you never show that to your audience? Nux thinks you should be able to change your content however you want
he believes that his audience isn't mad because he changed he is mad he denounced them (unlike filthy frank)
Nux doesn't believe that Idubbz is grifting because edgy content not monetizable anymore he believes Idubbz actually hates himself for who he used to be but the timing is unfortunate for him
#2 Idubbz has become the flowery toxic based on his treatment of froggy fresh (firing him for collabing with Sam Hyde and making him pay back the money they used to train him) and it sent a lot of hate at both him and Froggy from different sides of the internet
Ironically it's the same kind of harassment that targets of his content cop vids got
He did not make a content cop on sam Hyde but basically made a serious documentary version trashing him and again any harassment Sam got was the same kind of any Content cop target but it wasn't a fun comedic poking fun video like Content cop was "it was the 2023 approach to content where everything is incredibly serious"
"In Modern day drama you aren't making fun of someone for making bad content you are trying your hardest to eviscerate them not just in the public eye but in the eyes of sponsors and the world"
So despite the entire video of Idubbz saying he has grown from being " a 26 year old child" seems like he is still doing the exact same thing without the slurs he is packaging the same harassment and attitude in a more woke style than before and this is the ultimate betrayal of an audience
He says that he uses the word betrayal in this case not as a crime or something he can't do but it is the reason he is getting all this hate
He says he wants and has tried to be objective in this analysis
Cancel culture works through betraying the audience you foster so that they no longer support you that is the only time it can take root
Nux has haters but as long as his audience does not get betrayed his audience will be on his side he will be fine despite the fact 100k people on Twitter remind him relatively frequently they want him dead
He believes Idubbz is completely within his rights to do all this
So far in the vid Nux has talked about this from a monetary objective perspective
But he wants to make it clear that despite all the Idubbz hate and his understanding of where it comes from Idubbz is allowed to do whatever the hell he wants just like anyone else
Both sides in this debate are wrong
He hates having a nuanced take because he is gonna get taken out of context
One side is saying only racists hate Idubbz now
"As the inclusive people that don't want to offend others I hope we can round them all up and shoot them" (mocking that side) " as a person that wants to be kind to others i wanna shoot people that disagree with me" (lol)
The other side is saying is saying he is a traitor and is wife is a monster
Nux says both sides are wrong he has the right to change even if you don't consider it growth maybe you don't think he grew but from Idubbz own perspective he did and he wants to be happy
The Idubbz apology was not sad because he changed or got hate for it it's because it was a man didn't like who he was and how he wants to change but will live his entire life being a man he hated
Whether you like the man he was before or not thats not why it was so sad
The Idubbz vid is one of the saddest Nux has ever seen the Internet is a scary place everything you do is judged by Millions and everyone is different if he wants to be a certain person who are you to tell him not to be that person but tbf "who is Idubbz to tell you to be"
Moral grandstanding is one of Nux's least favorite things if you are toxic he will be toxic back if you are wholesome he will return that too
It's The only correct mindset
Nux thinks he is a more wholesome and inclusive person than 99% of the people who try to cancel him
The packaging doesn't matter personally to him he cares about what is inside and if doing your best and you are trying to be a good person then he can get along with you
If you are trying to be an asshole he can still get along with you Nux is kind of an asshole himself
He requests his Audience to be the bigger man and not harass anyone just laugh like him
"Do something dumb no need for harassment
Betray ideals no need for harassment
Just Sit here and laugh, laugh at the idiocy of the world don't lower yourself and demean yourself by getting involved in it"
He is going to do a video on Sam Hyde
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the walmarts here sell more pork neck than coconuts.
yuri nano's ccv dropped between debute and her 2nd stream right?
Nagzz is good friends with chibidoki iirc but I don't know how that reflects on his stance on loli.
Just because you have behind the scenes info doesn't mean you go treating it like some kind of secret weapon. That's some high tier femboy energy and only ever done to make them look more important than they actually are. By all means unleash the doomsday weapon when the time is right should it come to that, but don't keep the bipedal nuclear armed tank under a sheet in the background and keep saying "Oh man if only you knew what was under that sheet! It's a real shit disturber!" I inherently distrust anyone that acts like that, because they'll generally take any opportunity they can to make themselves look good.
No, they do that as a smokescreen because they know it wastes resources that could go into actual investigations, so as to buy more time to abuse kids.
"The last time I went to a proper theatre production I ended up having to pick bits of Lincoln skull and brains out of my waistcoat, and we didn't have Oxyclean to get out the blood spatter. Very inconsiderate affair that was."
Ok.
And he fucks up on the first swing. None of this Eyedubs shit is about morals.
Opinion discarded.
LMFAO, good luck with that.
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