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21st Century Pipkin Man

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Also, why's Nanoless getting victim points from this event? She was asking REDACTED to sweeten the exclusivity deal:
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Here she's talking about canceling someone's work due to health issues - probably Spite's - which would make two people. Remember, she canceled Bao's after finishing the design and sketch.
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Am I misunderstanding, or is this some bullshit?
 

Helkar

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Meanwhile Shylily: "I don't want sex that much anymore, i want intimacy, i want to snuggle, holding hands is sexy"
Just means that she's already getting her primary needs fulfilled, no?
Am I misunderstanding, or is this some bullshit?
No, the fact that the artist-mama is, so far, avoiding her share of the blame entirely is impressive and would probably be harder to accomplish without Bao dropping her own doc right away.
Which supports the rrat that this is a coordinated takedown of Sinder.
 

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Also, why's Nanoless getting victim points from this event? She was asking REDACTED to sweeten the exclusivity deal:
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Here she's talking about canceling someone's work due to health issues - probably Spite's - which would make two people. Remember, she canceled Bao's after finishing the design and sketch.
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Am I misunderstanding, or is this some bullshit?
You dont understand, Sinder's clout would've destroyed the no.1 artist in the Indie Scene overnight. She had no choice but to accept these constricting deals and lie to her clients!
 

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A third doc just hit the building :Zaion-HAHAFAYAH::

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TL;DR: Sinder (when she was still Tashi) was sexting with this no-name VA for a while, despite the fact that REDACTED was already her boyfriend at the time. She was shittalking him to this Rayne guy the whole time too. The guy kept receipts.

E: Jesas, if they haven't broken up already, they certainly will be after this:
E2: It's a good thing (for us) that he didn't forget about you, Sinder:
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I love 2025. :pomuLove:
I can't wait for Neurosama's drama, I bet she might be dating Kasperski antivirus or something

Two timing with Norton AND McAfee! WITHOUT a license! That's how you contract Bonzibuddies.

Also, why's Nanoless getting victim points from this event? She was asking REDACTED to sweeten the exclusivity deal:
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Here she's talking about canceling someone's work due to health issues - probably Spite's - which would make two people. Remember, she canceled Bao's after finishing the design and sketch.
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Am I misunderstanding, or is this some bullshit?

I read this as a combination of trying to work out how to remain in the black while trying to align with the exclusivity shit because otherwise it was going to kill her income to cut off other clients, which is where somewhere in the doc there's a mention from Red to the degree of 'If you cancel someone else's commission, tell us so we can hire you for art instead and still get paid'. At some point she was trying to figure out how this was all going to stay profitable before it started becoming more clear they were just trying to pressure her.
 

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21st Century Pipkin Man

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I read this as a combination of trying to work out how to remain in the black while trying to align with the exclusivity shit because otherwise it was going to kill her income to cut off other clients, which is where somewhere in the doc there's a mention from Red to the degree of 'If you cancel someone else's commission, tell us so we can hire you for art instead and still get paid'. At some point she was trying to figure out how this was all going to stay profitable before it started becoming more clear they were just trying to pressure her.
I agree with you, but to me, it shows that she knew exactly what she was doing, and went ahead with lying to people and canceling work, blaming health issues. It appears that at least three people were named in the request, but I don't have it in me to guess who the third one is from the poor censorship (Edit: Bao, Spite as sussed out from elsewhere in the doc, and ???).

No, the fact that the artist-mama is, so far, avoiding her share of the blame entirely is impressive and would probably be harder to accomplish without Bao dropping her own doc right away.
Which supports the rrat that this is a coordinated takedown of Sinder.
You're absolutely correct, I think nanoless and bao dropped theirs on Twitter within 5 minutes of each other. Everyone probably just agreed to let it slide, since she likely outed the drama privately to make planning the takedown a possibility.
 
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New doc


https://ghostarchive.org/archive/G5TQD
Text from doc (Minor edits to spacing to get all the contents posted in an organized manner, no content was changed):
I want to start by saying please do not send any hate to anyone involved in this, I only wish to speak about my experiences and give more clarity on those experiences

First and foremost, my love and admiration goes out to Nanoless for having the courage to bring this to light. Artists are the backbone of our community and taking advantage of her good willed personality is saddening to see.

I want to take the time to address what has been brought to light involving myself and what I’ve experienced over the years that coincide with these events.

In this screenshot the VTuber that is being talked about is very clearly me. Since the beginning of my VTuber journey it has been written in my backstory and lore that I’m the Daughter of Cerberus, and through an unforeseen summoning mishap, the Greek goddess Hekate. As many may know Cerberus is a species of hellhound and I’ve always incorporated the number 3 in my designs to follow the “3 heads of cerberus” in my early design and when artists were still learning new model/rigging techniques I had opted for 2 other wolf heads on my shoulders as pauldrons to symbolically represent my other two heads. However, the repeated comments of “if you're a Cerberus where are your other two heads?” had pushed me to use the broader term hellhound at the time. Fast forward to months to a year into my journey and I started to receive harassment and berating comments and chat messages on Twitch and Youtube videos comparing me to Sinder and putting me down for being a Hellhound. Making the definitive switch to the Cerberus label brought me a sense of relief because the last thing I wanted was to be constantly compared or harassed at this point, I didn’t want to be associated with her due to all the negativity that was being thrown my way.

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As for the claims of unfollowing her and taking her ideas; I debutted my 2.0 Live2D model May 14th, 2022 and on that SAME day she decided to post her Debut announcement for her 1.0 Live2D model. Leading up to this time I didn’t know who Sinder was at all. I had no idea she had fire in her ears or she was another hellhound. The creator space is broad and I still stumble across creators larger than myself that I had not heard of before. I never once stole her ideas, all I ever want is to try to be unique in my own way so these claims that I was following her and then unfollowing and stealing her ideas are absolutely baseless and uncalled for.

Her posting her debut announcement trailer the same day as my 2.0 debut seemed off, but I shrugged it off as a coincidence because things happen, however this wasn’t the last time something like this had happened. There have been multiple times where I have done something and either the same day or shortly after I was made aware or had discovered later that something similar had been posted, making me feel like I was being watched constantly. I tried my best to believe that it was coincidental and not ill intent on their part.

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There were many times when I designed a new outfit that I was really excited for, but afterwards Sinder would release outfits or models with similarities to it. I didn’t think much of it at first, because it is normal to have some similarities, or shared inspirations with other creators. The vtubing community is a huge space and similarities are normal. I’m not speaking to whether my designs were taken as direct references for hers, I’m addressing the need for the “unprovoked tweets” mentioned in the screenshot above and showing that I made the statements to make it clear that I was not stealing ideas. How can I copy something that was released/teased/revealed after my own?


On July 20th 2022, Maiulive (my model mama) and I worked on a comfy goth girl outfit. I had rips in my t-shirt, a g-string, shorts and spiked wrist cuffs. Two weeks after Sinder debuted a similar outfit. I included the earliest image that I could find of Sinder with this outfit. I received many negative comments about my design from people assuming that I copied her when I debuted it 2 weeks before hers. I got called "off-brand Sinder" and just a bunch of horrible things.

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I discovered this merchandise that she used for uwu market and had to do a double- take, because of the grey-blue skin tone used in the art, several people thought it was me and the similarities for this speak for themselves I feel.

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On April 29th 2024, I designed a Greek goddess outfit on stream. I am a Cerberus VTuber so it fits my lore completely. I mentioned that I may or may not get a future greek goddess outfit, because it fits my branding. About 4 months ago Sinder, debuted a "Heaven Okami Inspired" outfit, that was white and gold resembling a greek goddess. In the background for debut, she also included greek columns. At this point, I felt like nothing I could come up with would be even slightly original to me. I'm aware that nothing is completely original, but I still wanted my own identity.

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On April 20th, 2024 I debuted a new model, from my model mama, AhriVT. I got a hoodie with a cute design on top and I had side bangs covering my eyes. On April 4th, 2025 Sinder debuted a sport's hoodie with side bangs covering her eyes similar to mine.


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There are some instances that I do not have screenshots of. For example, I remember posting about my first ASMR stream. The day that I was supposed to do said stream, Sinder plugged her ASMR channel. I thought it was a bit suspect, but brushed it off. I don't have screenshots of the comments and bullying that I received from her community, there were too many that it became too much to keep track of and just started ignoring them, because I never wanted to save images of their words that hurt me. I didn't even want to read the harassing comments in the first place. I just wanted to be left alone and be happy in my own space.

I received a dm on January 25th, 2023. I will not disclose who the sender was without their consent. The sender expressed to me that they were getting bullied by Sinder and certain members of Sinder's community, because she too had fire in her ears. I never responded to the dm, because I wanted to stay away from drama as much as possible.

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I'm just very saddened and disappointed in this situation. I had my suspicions about this, but I've never wanted to be a part of drama so I kept quiet. I’ve also seen what happens when a creator stands up for themselves and receives major backlash even if they're in the right so I've never vocalized my concerns.

I've always designed my own models. I've gotten inspiration from Cerberus, (with the chains and spikes), disney's Hades and because I call myself goth gf, I was inspired by Sam and Ember from Danny Phantom plus many other of our goth crushes that we've had growing up. I just focused on myself and my friends, meanwhile I had eyes on me the whole time.


Knowing that I was being watched and talked poorly about really hurts especially when they never attempted to interact with me.


I did my best to go through and find what I could and get appropriate screenshots. It's crazy because I didn't know who Sinder was until she debuted her Live2D. I just wanted to exist peacefully as a VTuber and spend my time drama-free. I woke up this morning in shock. It's terrifying and hurtful to know that someone could attempt to blacklist me, when I've never even spoken to them. I hope going forward, that no one else has to experience anything like this. Thank you guys for being supportive towards me. I love this community so much. Please go and give love and support to all of those who have unfortunately been involved in this situation. Please support Nanoless who was brave enough to speak up and the VTubers who were affected. Please support my first model mama, the wonderful Maiulive, and also my most recent model mama, the wholesome AhriVT.

Thank you for taking the time to read this <3
 
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Helkar

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and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don'-
 

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Nano send all this to her in advance for clearance as one of the named? Why not just give the okay to be named then?
Probably sent it out only a few hours ahead and didn't get a reply in time. You don't want to risk something like this leaking and giving the other side time to prepare.
if they're all co-ordinating against Sinder, do any one of them realize that the very same thing can be done against them, when it's their turn to burn in the pyre?
Only if there's something bad enough to pin on them.
Only people up right now are degens
Is this your first time hearing of the woman who steals underwear to sniff and fucks her boyfriend as a valentine's stream? There's nothing sus about her being awake at this hour.
Am I the only one who thinks her model is basically silvervale's model with another color?
Pretty obvious and common concept, there are only so many animals and themes. When I first read that I assumed you were talking about Shylily, there was a whole drama with one of the then VShojos accusing her of copying her.
I don't think anyone on this site has ever claimed to oshi Sinder anyway, we're basically neutral observers in this.

But yeah is streaming on Fansly while having a significant other and sexting with some dude in private while having a significant other *that* far apart from one another?
We don't talk about them much but I assume there are some around. As a fan of that clique (oshi Numi), yes, there's a huge difference between someone with a boyfriend whoring for money (most whores have a boyfriend, who's either ok with it or claims he is) and someone with a boyfriend cheating for the fun of it.
I refuse to believe there's not at least ONE of those chicks running in those circles sweating their tits off right now because they've been doing VERY similar shit.

Careful eye on who is lovebomb replying to Bao's tweet.
Maybe, I actually think the one to look out for is this:

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An actual proper hag(she is around 35 if memory serves me right making her like a decade older than most people currently participating in the drama aside from Vex) weighs in on the situation with a take that can be summarized as "can't we all just get along?".
Well, no, Layna, you can't. You are, at the end of the day, all competitors in a fairly niche portion of the entertainment industry, fighting over a limited audience.
Getting along is optional.

edit: oh LMAO she nuked it, really? this i think is my first time successfully archiving something that ends up killed a few minutes later. We'll see if she just wants to re-do the wording.
 

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I agree with you, but to me, it shows that she knew exactly what she was doing, and went ahead with lying to people and canceling work, blaming health issues. It appears that at least three people were named in the request, but I don't have it in me to guess who the third one is from the poor censorship (Edit: Bao, Spite as sussed out from elsewhere in the doc, and ???).


You're absolutely correct, I think nanoless and bao dropped theirs on Twitter within 5 minutes of each other. Everyone probably just agreed to let it slide, since she likely outed the drama privately to make planning the takedown a possibility.
It's a bit odd (and they're definitely not completely clean as its pretty obvious Sinder was being sketchy about everything), but it seems like Sinder didn't want anyone to know about the exclusivity deal as fucking over Bao was the main motivation.

Nano was in a weird spot trying to figure out how to decline work without saying why, but was more or less just doing exclusive work without any malicious intent. So I can see why Bao and the others aren't throwing them under the bus too.
 

ZerroDefex

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It's not normal for a white girl to have a mainlander chinese friend let alone friends nor get invited to a mainlander wedding as a guest. exceptions to the rule exists of course, maybe theres more chinese women in the engineering field.

Jewish male - chinese female pairing are plentiful but this is for the US. I can safely say that there are enough soviet chinese male- russian female pairings that it could be a lead. tie that into the claim that her mother was descendent of some ruskie aristocrat and it becomes possible for lumi to be partially chinese.
Well she does have a masters in engineering and graduate programs have been flooded with Chinese spies foreign students for a few decades now. Plenty of time to befriend some of them then.

Also for people being impressed that she has a masters: nobody really takes those seriously (that "hello doctor, doctor, doctor, mister" scene in Big Bang Theory is very true.) It's something that people do when they can't find a job out of school with their bachelors and they need to keep the student loan payments from coming due. I nearly did it myself back in the day but luckily found a job right after taking the GRE and never looked back, within a year I was already making more than what a masters would have gotten me for starting pay. Also I was told many times "if you're going to go to grad school get a PhD or don't bother and PhDs are only useful really if you want to be a researcher at a lab."
Meanwhile Shylily: "I don't want sex that much anymore, i want intimacy, i want to snuggle, holding hands is sexy"
"I'm looking to settle down now that I'm thoroughly stretched out and used."
 

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Doesn't this seem too coordinated to a random doc drop

Seems like a ploy to cull competition to me(not that there's any they are all whores)

Something just doesn't sit right
 

Helkar

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So this one, it would appear, was definitely not in on it. I fully believe her when she says she only found out upon waking up.
The concept theft accusations are honestly pretty worthless as they are nearly impossible to get verifiable proof to support.
So far, this is the weakest one of the now five dropped, weaker than a bitter ex-sexting-buddy trying to get his revenge, even, as that one actually has proof of Sinder being a cheater.
 

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