General Vtuber Discussion (V1)

[Svarog]

taxation is theft, the clip

That europian countries taxation really fkng theft for rich people.

 

[The Proctor]

Charlotte Bear, Eira Woolcott, Kyua, and Purity Valentine playing Nechronica with Halbernacht as the GM. From what I understand it is a "Japanese loli zombie Tabletop RPG".

This is cute. Does one of them have a legit speech impediment or is that an IC thing for her?

 

[AyoTempus]

taxation is theft, the clip

Tax sperging below:

I don't know how much I'd agree with Kiara's tax man saying that her games aren't write offs, it is pretty easy to argue that they can be except for one potential issue.

The tl;dr sperging for why: If something you use is used mostly for business use (at least over 50%) it is a write-off up to the percentage of what you paid vs what is used in your business. This is how people can calculate wear and tear on your car (aka depreciation) and gas. I wonder if Kiara is just badly explaining her situation or something, which wouldn't shock me.

So in this case I'd argue that if Kiara plays a game for 4 hours on stream, easily provable via archived vods, and has 5 hours played on Steam (which is easily trackable on the client) then 80% of that should count for the year it was purchased. That's how I'd probably explain it if I had to explain this to the IRS. because this game only exists to perform her streaming business and is clearly not being used in any other way for clear personal use. It doesn't matter if it is arguably frivolous crap to call a steam library's worth of video games a tax expense, if you can prove you use it for predominately your business then it counts.

I'd imagine the primary issue is that it is you might be able to argue that you can't prove that the game will then never be played again later for non-business use so you can't deduct the full amount and you can't really depreciate a game on Steam as easily as you can a car. The best way you can do depreciation would be across 7 years which is a catch all IRS number for and I quote "Any property that does not have a class life and has not been designated by law as being in any other class."

If the whole "we don't know if we can just use play time" metric is the issue, then you'd probably do something like 80% of year 1, X% year 2, etc etc or something though this begs the question how you count this when you aren't play it at all. Also you can deduct internet, electricity, and pretty much all utilities involved in streaming, so I don't buy that Kiara doesn't have deductions as her internet is a very big one. Her tax accountant is either lazy/dumb, or Kiara just doesn't understand what's going on.

I don't believe you need to pay taxes to both countries either, their are ways to work around that and I know in cases like American and EU taxes you never pay twice on income made across two countries. You'd have to do a lot of work to figure this out, but you can make your income up to a percentage count only for the country it was earned. I'd presume that would be based on where she streamed that particular day or what not. I remember someone in the comments of that one Calli clip argued that Calli's tax accountant might actually be ripping her off because Calli is tax illiterate and may not even see her tax return beyond signing it, and it is possible to just pocket the money if you're a shady enough fuck. Calli's taxes are probably fairly dense so it'd be easy to hide the numbers around if you can pocket hundreds or even thousands of dollars depending on who does her taxes.

My tax sperging aside, Magni's comment section on his latest Sanic stream is full of people concern fagging because of his medical issues that he was trying to keep under wraps to his fans and management as he didn't tell anyone that he had covid until he already recovered. You got some fags like this feeling BETRAYED by the secret coof our lord Mag had. Someone even wrote a fucking essay longer then my tax sperging about this, they need to take the meds they actually have.

Based Magni didn't give a fuck about covid and just streamed anyway, good job furlord.

Spoiler: Essay about why Dez is a naughty boy

 

[agility_]

Living in austria is one thing. Working in austria is being miserable and a turbocucking of gigantic proportions. Fucking godawful banking cartels.

 

[Kalion]

This is cute. Does one of them have a legit speech impediment or is that an IC thing for her?

I think Charlotte is just spilling her spaghetti hard. She didn't get much sleep before this too so probably really tired. However being an animal (zombie) girl her stutter would make a really cute character trait.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

This is cute. Does one of them have a legit speech impediment or is that an IC thing for her?

Charlotte can't do a regular stream without getting flustered and stuttering. The girl needs intensive therapy from her childhood.

 

[Hff201]

That europian countries taxation really fkng theft for rich people.
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It's no wonder so many people just leech off unemployment when people who work just get punished for it anyway.

My tax sperging aside, Magni's comment section on his latest Sanic stream is full of people concern fagging because of his medical issues that he was trying to keep under wraps to his fans and management as he didn't tell anyone that he had covid until he already recovered. You got some fags like this feeling BETRAYED by the secret coof our lord Mag had. Someone even wrote a fucking essay longer then my tax sperging about this, they need to take the meds they actually have.

Based Magni didn't give a fuck about covid and just streamed anyway, good job furlord.

Spoiler: Essay about why Dez is a naughty boy

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There's so much about this I genuinely hate. Expecting people to always be 100% transparent about their health feels invasive in itself, but the combination of trying to babysit a grown adult and how he uses his "responsibility with having an audience", and also still talking about the coof as though it's terminal canceraids despite him being otherwise healthy just makes this even more annoying.

If he's sick he should probably chill for a bit, but given streaming is his livelihood I can't fault him for trying to push ahead to the best of his ability anyway. Him hiding it was probably an attempt to discourage this kind of concernfagging in the first place.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Based Magni didn't give a fuck about covid and just streamed anyway, good job furlord.

Spoiler: Essay about why Dez is a naughty boy

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Holy autism psycho analysis batman its just a grown ass man playing video games online

 

[UncreativeVtuberEnjoyer]

Spoiler: Essay about why Dez is a naughty boy

And of course the wall of text ends with a projection

 

[thhrang]

Since people are giving her different ways out of this, I propose she posts Josh's toes instead.

I've only ever briefly heard of the story regarding Null's toes, but I don't think I've ever seen the illusive picture itself. I kinda doubt that she has either.

But yeah, a picture of her IRL pet rabbit's feet is probably the best option available right now. Like someone said earlier, it could be Phase-Connect's monkey's paw.

 

[uquusquad]

Tax sperging below:
That's how I'd probably explain it if I had to explain this to the IRS.

>to the IRS.

Spoiler

In austria write offs for business expenses are called "Werbungskosten" ( translates to advertising cost, don't ask me why it is named that).You are trying to argue that games would in Austria fall under the work tools category for "werbungskosten". For that she would have to proof that they are used mostly for work and not private use, and "mostly" is defined as a minimum 90% ( and not over 50% as you suggest)

Edit 1 to clarify how "werbungskosten" work exactly:
The austrian department of finance has defined a bunch of nonsense as potential business expenses that you can write of (for example, your travel expenses, your car, work clothes, work tools etc etc. Each year the department of finance will assume that you already had to pay 1000€ for business expenses which they will deduct from your taxes ( this year 2022 its 1200€ because of tax cuts). So for Kiara to get write offs on her games she would have to have eligible business expenses of over 1k and proof that she used them mostly for work (again in austria that is a min 90%).

 

[God's Strongest Mozumite]

Best outfit ever 10/10

 

[Elite Miko]

I see Fauna took the Ame approach of outfit reveals.

 

[superduper]

I estimate only 2-3 more days until Pippa feet. It's inevitable!

 

[Thomas Talus]

Re: write-offs, that sounds like why ABBA's costumes were so outlandish; they had to make a plausible case to the taxing authorities that the clothing was unsuitable for personal use.

 

[Todd's Strongest Howard]

After so long without them I forgot how brain dead Pomu is at MGS. What is it with chuuba and panicking over video games?

 

[Netscaper]

I see Fauna took the Ame approach of outfit reveals.

BS game. You just slap Nemu harder! It saves 10 seconds of the run!

 

[Elite Miko]

Yeah, the outfit is very Fauna. Fits her well.

 

[Gravedigger]

Fauna with the Marine side tails.

 

[Audi Vide Tace]

If Pippa posts them, what do you want us to do? Genuine question.

Next group to ban Pippa discussion: The Virtual Asylum.

Apparently even medicated unmedicated Asylum patients are saner than pippa.