General Vtuber Discussion (V1)

[46gumi]

New group composing of PH VTubers



The only ones I recognize are Kaheru and Purin.

 

[Sky Shouter]

FIlian has an odd take on Vtuber face reveals


Um, Filian, have you seen what the popular non-Vtubers girls do on Twitch?

Spoiler: 3DPD Ass

 

[Stunned But Dumb]

Um, Filian, have you seen what the popular non-Vtubers girls do on Twitch?

Ah yes, the fart meta on twitch streamers, how can anyone forget? Man... I don't get it

 

[RestlessRain]

Is it that time again? I feel like it was just yesterday we had multiple pages of people arguing with Nolan and the subsequent back and forth.

 

[Audi Vide Tace]

When TVA gets bored the gloves come off and the slapping begins.

 

[La+ de Central Norte]

YATTA
Lapu chan LOVE

 

[Awoogers]

New group composing of PH VTubers



The only ones I recognize are Kaheru and Purin.

kaheru,maddie,dasu,kiichan and purin damn thats a stacked lineup

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

pleas watch she good

 

[nooternun]

I came across Cover Transcript of Financial Results Briefing for FY2023.3. It was released 3 weeks ago, but haven't seen it posted. It is mainly reiteration of what was discussed earlier here and here. However, Q&A is new.

https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/8b8f1dd7/e496/4759/be9d/d0b615b2b131/20230612180242646s.pdf

Highlights:
Focus on existing talents
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Shorts meta recognized
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Belief in growth of the entire vtuber market. Idol Showdown shout-out.
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Memberships seems to make more than superchats.
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Two slides made me recall recent dramas.
Omocat is showcased as example of licensing
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And how utterly fucking retarded Rekieta is given the streaming makes for only 31% of revenue.
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As for the pirated content, if you really think it is more of "lightning rod for trouble" than dox info... I have no words. Worth pointing out archives are also piracy. That being said it is up to our Führer to decide policy.

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Phase Invaders collab in 40 minutes

For the streaming revenue the breakdown you cite is for a large company with smaller companies trying to shift towards this breakdown- Sakana living in the warehouse- and indies having various success in selling merch. Concerts/events and Licensing revenue are essentially non-existent for anyone besides the large JP's (Niji, VSPO, 774).

Memberships being stable income is great for everyone but super dependent on Youtube which can shit the bed as fast as anything. With the official channel opening up memberships I wonder how they are gonna juggle their Fan Club content? The other growing pain for Cover is getting JP content to non-JP audiences like the new EN voicepacks. I know that language translators are expensive and they need more personal but transcripts for videos and shorts would be so helpful. They don't even have to market towards non JP's, due to mistranslations being a headache, they can just say it's for deaf people and it's win-win. It's right in the wheelhouse for their goal to, "expand [the] fan community".

RIP non JP, SEA and US fans though, you are not a "key reigon".

First the Gen 1 anniversary, now Hololive Summer. Haachama still not being present really worries me. I hope it's due to the Summer animations being prerecorded in May-June so she couldn't be available due to college. I will cope with that rrat because I refuse to accept seeing a twitter post form Cover with black text on a white background in the coming month.

Cover citing IP as an important source of revenue makes me hopeful that Chaama won't graduate. Although she is one of the members with the least consistent "brand" identity she is very popular and her shifting branding kind of acts as character arcs which are easy to market. Plus she has talked about wanting to be a VA and although these VA jobs don't seem plentiful for the talents it's only a matter of time I think. I just hope she isn't under pressure to do things she doesn't want to because of how damaging it is when talents graduate. Depending on the revenue sharing amount talents get, I really want IP development to be a top priority as it allows the talent to best capitilize on their hard work and encourages them to stick around. Also, it will help drive Cover to make it easier to buy merch worldwide. Speaking of:


Since we have a good amount of Indonesians here, how easy/hard is buying merch for you? How is the SEA economy going? I think SEA is pretty vital for Hololive if they want to continue their efforts to be a global company.

Spoiler: Memsperging + replies

I stopped Member posting because Beanut said "hey don't member post"

But I think it's okay to do it and it's unavoidable. Just post on /vt first if you're concerned about this site getting bothered, though I don't think that would ever happen. I think for streamers, MEMBERS STREAMS should be the main members content and being in those streams live should be the main reward, so re-posting them later is a none-issue. For other stuff, it's neat to get full thumbnail arts or letters, but it's silly to expect it to be a real reward or not to get re-posted immediately. And I would argue for things like messages and letters it could be that all fans should be able to read them and you are actually helping the streamer's brand by sharing it.

Going back to this since apparently this conversation kept going, I'd like to stress it's only really worth worrying about this from a practical perspective, not a moral one. Moralfagging over piracy is a pointless endeavour since everyone draws the line on what's okay at different points, and "don't do x because it might upset someone" is a terrible precedent to set on a board that wants to encourage free and open conversation.

The reason I brought it up in the first place is because giving a megacorp ammunition against the forum will not do us any favours long-term. It's important to remember we're hosted on Xenforo's Cloud service rather than on a server privately owned by any users of the forum - if they get a scary letter from Cover demanding they take us down because we're hosting pirated content, they're gonna comply, because it's easier than paying a legal adviser to proofread responses for them.

Are they likely to give a shit about this particular instance? Almost definitely not, it's very minor bonus content and even if they did want to take down reposts they'd prioritise the sites that compile everything together over one where you have to dig through hundreds of posts just to find a particular piece. I just think it's a good idea to avoid leaving trails of things that are explicitly copyright infringement because I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that, should a corpo want to cover up a scandal that we're talking about later down the line, they could weaponise stuff like this against us to cause us hosting issues. Best not to make a habit of it really.

Even if Null got a takedown request for this kind of shit he'd probably oblige. There's no fair use defense for mirroring paywalled content, that's just piracy. He did a pretty good writeup about it here, it's about OnlyFans content but the same principle applies, specifically point 2:
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I think members leaks are good when they're a leak of discussion with the fanbase (for example members only posts discussing the VTuber's health or personal life) as they pertain to the forum's interests and incite discussion which might be seen as more transformative than reposting members art or streams, which is much harder to justify. But in the end it's up to the admin to decide what level of risk is acceptable.

As for TVA membership posts should be spoiler'd at the very least and labeled as such. I think that not setting any specific rule for posting them is best unless companies contact the admin.

For the talents it all depends on why they post membership content. Shiina and Watame are posting and requesting not to share because this makes the relationship between the streamer and viewer more "special". I think it's less that they care about the actual content and more that they know it frustrates their fans to not have something exclusive. Others use the smaller userbase space as a place for more personal thoughts which maybe they don't like being revealed - like a diary. If you like talents like this then you will follow their guidelines. For ASMR vtubers they might put their videos as membership due to youtube restrictions. Tenma and others might do membership content that is participation based and after there isn't really any incentive to release the VODs.

For art or other consumable content I think it's good to have it leaked. Maybe not ritually but it shows people a glimpse past the velvet rope and can encourage them to sign up or show up to try for a gift in chat. Talents pay for content which is good for the entire vtuber "ecosystem", including themselves. I personally don't agree with paywalling content but can't fault talent for making money where they can. I don't see memberships as merchandise and for Hololive I think they perfer it that way otherwise the talents would be presured to standardize their membership content. Having a set time for content to be exclusive and then releasing is another option, especially for art as the artist gets broad recognition and double the exposure.

I think paywalling general updates is severly annoying and is the only thing I actively seek information on.

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AZKi telling a bit more about how much Sora's done for her

I just wish that the girls or companies marketed as well as Suisei. I didn't even know Sora was signed to a label.

Karaoke stream from Layla Alstroemeria.

Thanks, I didn't know about her.

She's looking pretty damn stunning, and I feel like the recent pictures she's posted definitely reinforce that she's probably mid 30's. Making Korone arguably the oldest still.

Spoiler: Archive

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She is looking thinner and I think she is georgous but she isn't what JP beauty standards would call ideal.

TL: DR?
The members only content is nice to share in the same vain as IP being free to use as it promotes the talent for free and exposes people to their exclusive content that otherwise wouldn't see it.


Smug Miko acting like she isn't an OG Soratomo

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

Thought this was an amusing list. Phase only has a couple being Pippa and... Panko!?!?! Anyway I also recognize too many of the vtubers.



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[God's Strongest Mozumite]

New group composing of PH VTubers



The only ones I recognize are Kaheru and Purin.

What the fuck is a PornHub vtuber? Actually, don't answer that.

Thought this was an amusing list. Phase only has a couple being Pippa and... Panko!?!?! Anyway I also recognize too many of the vtubers.



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>Sana in the dead category
You didn't have to remind me man

 

[UberSoldat]

So Nousagi talked in length about his "yab" on Twitch and his feelings. For anyone curious, around 2:20:00 when the stream ends.

 

[Clem the Gem]

FINALLY i get a chance to show you this;

Spoiler: Local Copy

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Man, anyone else getting some big Chris Chan vibes from this guy...

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

So Nousagi talked in length about his "yab" on Twitch and his feelings. For anyone curious, around 2:20:00 when the stream ends.

Not watching him cry about it again
tl:dw?

 

[Todd's Strongest Howard]

any time Mori does something, it's like 9/11 for VTweeters all over again

copium is a given at this point, alongside the not-so-subtle pleas to engage with their content instead of Pink Woman

What content? How am I supposed to watch contentless whores with Twitter softbanning their life? Man, if only these mouthy broads fucking streamed instead of cry on birdapp.

I’m actually in Hanacord

[clock ticking in background]

New group composing of PH VTubers



The only ones I recognize are Kaheru and Purin.

[clock ticking intensifies]

Thought this was an amusing list. Phase only has a couple being Pippa and... Panko!?!?! Anyway I also recognize too many of the vtubers.
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I have zero basis for it, but I would put Ina in 'would win' because the idea of her having a dormant killer drive is funny. There should also be a 'Almost wins but dies from a dumb mistake' category, because there's no way Vesper survives, but he also doesn't refuse to win out of spite. This has been proven repeatedly, he's literally the doomed prepper archetype.

 

[The Rrat]

Another EP song teaser from Bae!

 

[God's Strongest Wardog]

Thought this was an amusing list. Phase only has a couple being Pippa and... Panko!?!?! Anyway I also recognize too many of the vtubers.



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>FalsefagD
> Froot

 

[Abomination]

Thought this was an amusing list. Phase only has a couple being Pippa and... Panko!?!?! Anyway I also recognize too many of the vtubers.



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>Has trained their entire life for this moment.
>Froot

I guess lying and backstabbing would help in this situation.

 

[PekoWick]

Huh, Moona's going to play Only Up. I kind of thought many would stop playing it, but.... eh. I haven't actually watched anyone play this yet, so maybe I'll watch her. Come along!

I don't know about ID but for JP pekora is trying to challenge some members in only up.

 

[Awoogers]

>Has trained their entire life for this moment.
>Froot

I guess lying and backstabbing would help in this situation.

and she would sell her body for resources and being on the winning side probably