Hololive General

NeneLOVE · Saturday at 10:34 PM

Renmai said:
huh this whole Gura thing makes me really hope Cover HR knows better what to look for in western hires for EN. Gura is supremely talented but if she is never active streaming and making content.. I'd prefer a lesser talent who actually hits the stream button. Imagine how much stronger EN would be if their star talent is active. I've heard a saying in sports, the best ability is availability.

Luckily the newer EN girls seem way more grounded and are grinders. I hear people here talking about not being able to move past EN1 and 2.. gonna have to explain that to me. How can you be a fan of someone who doesn't stream? I don't understand at all. I stopped watching the NBA for many reasons, one of the main ones being the stars are always doing "load management" and not playing or trying much until the playoffs. It's annoying as fuck.

You basically answered yourself, the recruiters have been bringing on people which are much more in line with the company's work culture nowadays.

As for people's reactions, you have to keep in mind that HoloEN was basically the gateway drug for A LOT of western fans, a bunch of which stopped giving a shit about Holo after the pandemic and as they got more into vtubing and found shit they liked better, these people still hold myth and sometimes council to an insane standard, even though, let's be honest, myth is objectively a pretty lackluster gen in terms of output and cohesion and was by all means an experiment meant to perform along the lines of ID gen 1.

Holo never intended EN to be as popular or influential as it was, thus the hiring process wasn't geared towards longevity or "the future of the company", the company literally didn't have a future in EN at all.

La+ de Central Norte · Saturday at 10:36 PM

Renmai said:
huh this whole Gura thing makes me really hope Cover HR knows better what to look for in western hires for EN. Gura is supremely talented but if she is never active streaming and making content.. I'd prefer a lesser talent who actually hits the stream button. Imagine how much stronger EN would be if their star talent is active. I've heard a saying in sports, the best ability is availability.

Luckily the newer EN girls seem way more grounded and are grinders. I hear people here talking about not being able to move past EN1 and 2.. gonna have to explain that to me. How can you be a fan of someone who doesn't stream? I don't understand at all. I stopped watching the NBA for many reasons, one of the main ones being the stars are always doing "load management" and not playing or trying much until the playoffs. It's annoying as fuck.

Because Vtubing its not sports ( for now) its entertainment so even if you see someone appear once a year its worth it because they still have a lot of fans waiting for them

White Stone · Saturday at 10:37 PM

Renmai said:
Luckily the newer EN girls seem way more grounded and are grinders. I hear people here talking about not being able to move past EN1 and 2.. gonna have to explain that to me. How can you be a fan of someone who doesn't stream? I don't understand at all. I stopped watching the NBA for many reasons, one of the main ones being the stars are always doing "load management" and not playing or trying much until the playoffs. It's annoying as fuck.

You're acting like Gura never streamed from the start. She was streaming regularly for her first 2 years and had amassed a large amount of loyal fans who stuck with her until the end. I can't really say anything more that doesn't make me look bias like "she's very entertaining", "she's really good at singing" and "there are no other talents like her".

Phantasm · Saturday at 10:37 PM

Renmai said:
huh this whole Gura thing makes me really hope Cover HR knows better what to look for in western hires for EN. Gura is supremely talented but if she is never active streaming and making content.. I'd prefer a lesser talent who actually hits the stream button. Imagine how much stronger EN would be if their star talent is active. I've heard a saying in sports, the best ability is availability.

Luckily the newer EN girls seem way more grounded and are grinders. I hear people here talking about not being able to move past EN1 and 2.. gonna have to explain that to me. How can you be a fan of someone who doesn't stream? I don't understand at all. I stopped watching the NBA for many reasons, one of the main ones being the stars are always doing "load management" and not playing or trying much until the playoffs. It's annoying as fuck.

Like the Latinx said HoloMyth was THE reason that alot of people in the west got into vtubing I know it was my first time hearing about vtubing at all and your first time is always special doesn't matter what it is and for me personally what made me want newer EN gens was so that I can see Myth and Promise interact with them now some of them are gone or soon to be gone and while I still think Advent and Justice are incredible I don't have the same emotional attachment to them that I had with Myth

Sankisei · Saturday at 10:42 PM

White Stone said:
You're acting like Gura never streamed from the start. She was streaming regularly for her first 2 years and had amassed a large amount of loyal fans who stuck with her until the end. I can't really say anything more that doesn't make look bias like "she's very entertaining", "she's really good at singing" and "there are no other talents like her".

Comparing Sports to vtubing is gay but even in that Medium 2 very good seasons isnt enough to be forgiven for your absences
Edit: Thank you guys
I knew she was always good thanks to that 2 years :menhera:

TKN_Lurker · Saturday at 10:46 PM

Overwatch 2 stream featuring Mooms and the Rat now live.

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Pencilfreak · Saturday at 10:53 PM

Renmai said:
Luckily the newer EN girls seem way more grounded and are grinders. I hear people here talking about not being able to move past EN1 and 2.. gonna have to explain that to me. How can you be a fan of someone who doesn't stream?

Some people here mentioned she was the first vtuber to brought them to vtuber rabbit hole, other than that I don't remember the reason or they have other reasons why they're really dedicated to watch her despite streaming much less than her fellow Holo girls.

Negzana · Saturday at 11:03 PM

Phantasm said:
Like the Latnix said HoloMyth was THE reason that alot of people in the west got into vtubing I know it was my first time hearing about vtubing at all and your first time is always special doesn't matter what it is and for me personally what made me want newer EN gens was so that I can see Myth and Promise interact with them now some of them are gone or soon to be gone and while I still think Advent and Justice are incredible I don't have the same emotional attachment to them that I had with Myth

Objectively, Myth and Council were scuffed to all hell, but that gave them even more of an allure because they felt even more like a different dimension from the hell zone that was the world at the time. Advent and Justice are better generations from a streaming perspective, but by the time came they came my life was doing better enough to not be as desperate for escapism and I had seen enough vtubing scandals, been on /VT/, KF, and TVA long enough for them to simply not be as alluring as Myth and Council were when I discovered them.

Scoots · Saturday at 11:04 PM

MostlyALurker777 said:

So her parting gift to us is a sequel to Reflect where she reiterates that she never got over her imposter syndrome and eventually just decided to stop trying
~They say the memory of me is fading. I've heard it all before. Don't tell me everyone around is waiting~
She got stuck in a perpetual cycle of being overwhelmed by expectations and subsequently hiding from them which only compounded them. I do like the part where myth helps her when she's drowning it's good to know for sure they were there for her through it all.
I don't think she'll ever come back to streaming I think she'll just go back to Senzawa shit posting rarely.
God that sucks so much she's such an amazing talent. I wish she could see that, and capitalize on it like Calli and Kiara. What a shame. Godspeed blue gremlin I hope you find satisfaction. I'll be waiting for whatever crumbs you manage to give us.

Renmai · Saturday at 11:18 PM

White Stone said:
You're acting like Gura never streamed from the start. She was streaming regularly for her first 2 years and had amassed a large amount of loyal fans who stuck with her until the end. I can't really say anything more that doesn't make me look bias like "she's very entertaining", "she's really good at singing" and "there are no other talents like her".

I understand perfectly how everyone was a fan of Gura at the start, I was one myself. I recognize her ability to be effortlessly funny and cute. I dropped her when she started her cycles of going missing.

I don't understand how people can remain fans when the talent disappears for months without any updates. We've seen plenty of the girls go on long hiatuses, they always give a reason like health, medical, family events, moving to Nipland, etc. and most still try to put out pre-planned content or twitter spaces, and still interact with fans online. But a talent who always gives the hope of being active again, but really comes back to shill merch, and ghosts again.. :botanshrug:

White Stone · Saturday at 11:30 PM

Renmai said:
but really comes back to shill merch, and ghosts again..

You know, I never really commented on this since this community already has their mind set on this. But how did she even become known for shilling merch again? She has only done 1 shill stream during her inactivity, and that was the Gura aquarium stream back in 2023. Unless you want to count her birthday and anniversary streams, but that's something every girl feels obligated to do, and she did also skip her anniversary last year despite having merch.

Aka Split · Saturday at 11:31 PM

Would you rather: 1. watch one stream a month from someone who is entertaining? or 2. watch 30 streams a month from someone who is boring?

More people than I would think seem to enjoy #2 (in more ways than one

)

It just feels like a super shallow, numberfaggy attitude. I like people because I like them, not because of how many hours they are live or how many viewers they have. (like a certain someone) :crushautistic:

Sithis · Saturday at 11:32 PM

Negzana said:
SNOT was basically HoloEN for me. Of all the HoloEN girls I watched it was them. I really wish I could get into Advent and Justice more but there's just a sunk cost fallacy to EN1-2 that I would rather just not care about EN anymore aside for Kronii and Biboo.

Fuwamoco are fun and I continue to support their autistic quest to become the first true transracial Asians

Shuba said:
I've seen this sentiment repeated a few times and it confuses the hell out of me. This whole idea of "Gura's graduation overshadows the others."

Mumei's fans who care most about Mumei are still thinking about Mumei's graduation. Same thing with Gura's fans and same thing with Shion's fans. It was also the same when Fauna's and Chloe's graduations were announced one day apart. These graduations are meant to say goodbye to the fans that watch and care about them. One graduation isn't gonna "overshadow" the others cause they're all dedicated to their individual fanbases.

I guess the outsiders and the dramafags will pay more attention to Gura's cause biggest number, but why does that matter? Why should Mumei or her fans care if retards like Evanito talk more about Gura's graduation than hers? I don't get it.

Its not the numbers it's more than it sucks the air out of the room and seems like something that could be read as self centered. It's like you work at a job you love but get injured and have a company send off party planned but then the CEOs kid retires to coast on the trust fund and everything becomes focused on that instead of the person who actually wanted to stay in the first place.

NeneLOVE · Saturday at 11:54 PM

Sithis said:
Fuwamoco are fun and I continue to support their autistic quest to become the first true transracial Asians

Its not the numbers it's more than it sucks the air out of the room and seems like something that could be read as self centered. It's like you work at a job you love but get injured and have a company send off party planned but then the CEOs kid retires to coast on the trust fund and everything becomes focused on that instead of the person who actually wanted to stay in the first place.

Well, at least gura is finally dying so she can't be "le evil mogger" and get on people's nerves like this anymore, that'll be the best part, not having to deal with the sheer amount of schizophrenia a person who isn't even around 95% of the time somehow produces.

She can go be the indiekeks' problem now.

tarkanoltr · Sunday at 12:06 AM

Final preYdator cover song:

BioBreak · Sunday at 12:06 AM

MostlyALurker777 said:

Song's actually pretty good and I'd say given that it's animated by Mazu - understandably late given the animation detail that guy pours into his work. Pretty much a step above "Myth's Bad Ending" in terms of animation quality too but I guess given that this is paid contractual work this time around and not fan-work, he's pretty much obligated to put his best foot forward.

That being said, I'll take what she says about her plans post-Holo with a huge grain of salt. I'm bummed since this song/video is kind of her best work yet and it kinda highlights the talent/potential we're losing to the huge question mark of how active she'll be once unbound in the indie ether.

LurkerD · Sunday at 12:10 AM

Advent and Justice are more reliable streamers, unfortunately the only one of them that i can stand for more than a clips length is CC (i liked GG on debut but she burnt me out quick), meanwhile almost every Gura stream has been worth my time. And with a billion different streamers/youtubers, movies, tv shows, games, etc; it's not like I'm hurting for others sources of entertainment.

There are lets players that i have been watching for more than a decade that because they are playing a game i'm not interested in i will skip for months at a time, then pick back up when they finish and start playing something i do like. There are youtubers that have year long gaps between videos that i still watch when they upload new videos because i like them, and other youtubers that are far more regular that i don't watch because i don't like them.

Kazuma · Sunday at 12:17 AM

I notice that I have been watching more indies, like Mint, Nimi, Dooby, than holo for a while now.

NeneLOVE · Sunday at 12:31 AM

Kazuma said:
I notice that I have been watching more indies, like Mint, Nimi, Dooby, than holo for a while now.

(((indies)))
Did you watch any of them before they went through a corpo?

Aka Split · Sunday at 12:55 AM

NeneLOVE said:
(((indies)))
Did you watch any of them before they went through a corpo?

Fact: If an indie is talented they will join Hololive.
Logically this leads to the conclusion that watching any indie who has not been in Hololive is a waste of time, because if they were talented, they would join Hololive. Indies who were in Hololive have already proven that they are worth watching.
:mitothink:

Kind of a given, but Mumei also confirmed a full Promise collab before the end.

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