General Thread v2: Enhanced Segregation Techniques!

VTuberBobDole said:

Now I'm not sure even who would be the one to take over. There's no "heir apparent", at least publicly.

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Atlas said:

Well time to kill myself

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MerelyTourist said:

The very concept of "you need a big corpo contract to do X" will die, vtubing is going go down the record labels and book publishers route, where first big, then small corpos will fall out of relevancy in favor of smaller, task service companies.
Even today, Hololive offers NOTHING that that you can't do as an indie. Their main value is clout, and there will be companies offering clout as service in the future. Unless humanity will fuck up massively and first world economy will go back to scarcity.

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MerelyTourist said:

The very concept of "you need a big corpo contract to do X" will die, vtubing is going go down the record labels and book publishers route, where first big, then small corpos will fall out of relevancy in favor of smaller, task service companies.
Even today, Hololive offers NOTHING that that you can't do as an indie. Their main value is clout, and there will be companies offering clout as service in the future. Unless humanity will fuck up massively and first world economy will go back to scarcity...

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MerelyTourist said:

Even today, Hololive offers NOTHING that that you can't do as an indie.

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Negzana said:

If/when Holo dies, I hope all my oshis have graduated already. If they haven't, I have most of their RMs and will just need to learn Japanese and Indonesian.

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MerelyTourist said:

Now- yes, kinda. But life-changing tech is already there and getting better and cheaper.
Some 20 years ago you had to get label deal or huge load of cash to record an album. Not anymore, music recording/mixing is widely available and very affordable. Organizing a tour - not a problem, you can book everything by yourself. Publishing a book - plenty options, plenty freelance editors, not a problem. Merch - same deal. Motion capture - same deal, you only need 2-3 decent cameras and literally nothing else to reliablry track every finger (not realtime though, yet). And did you see what Unreal engine can do now?
Whole world is shifting from "you need corpo to be an entertainer" to "you can be an entertainer on your own", thanks to youtube in particular. All old big tech copros now have a selection of products that cater for small individual entertainers. Many tech companies were started to cater exclusively for individual entertainers. This shift won't stop. Corpos are still holding, bit their model won't be profitable for too long, they'll have to shift focus.

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MerelyTourist said:

Their main value is clout

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Superduper Samurai said:

If you act like a fag and stretch things out in theory all indies can just produce a holo tier concert but they will probably spend a life-changing amount of money to barely recieve half of their investment back on the admin/behind the scenes shit alone

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Nenélove said:

...and other fun delusions retards on /lig/ tell themselves!

The problem with this kind of reasoning is that it isn't inherently wrong or right, "indie" is such a vast group which includes both people at Filian's level and at (random person who streams to their one friend watching due to pity)'s level.

Sure Filian can host her event sponsored by gamersucks in las vegas because she's fucking massive and has the money and popularity to do that, but she and the rest of the top 50 indies are 0.00000000000000000001% of the "indie" grouping, many of those people with no better prospects have EVERYTHING to gain from joining Holo.

and as for the "it's really only clout" claim, yeah, it is mostly clout, because this is an ENTERTAINMENT industry you fucking retarded ape. CLOUT. IS. EVERYTHING.

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Atlas said:

i'll take 5 so that way I can have an emty seat next to me

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MerelyTourist said:

Did you miss the part "there will be companies offering clout as service in the future"?

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Sky Shouter said:

Gee, it's almost as if clout is critically important when you're an online content creator

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Horo7618 said:

You forgot IRyS

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MerelyTourist said:

Now- yes, kinda. But life-changing tech is already there and getting better and cheaper.
Some 20 years ago you had to get label deal or huge load of cash to record an album. Not anymore, music recording/mixing is widely available and very affordable. Organizing a tour - not a problem, you can book everything by yourself. Publishing a book - plenty options, plenty freelance editors, not a problem. Merch - same deal. Motion capture - same deal, you only need 2-3 decent cameras and literally nothing else to reliablry track every finger (not realtime though, yet). And did you see what Unreal engine can do now?
Whole world is shifting from "you need corpo to be an entertainer" to "you can be an entertainer on your own", thanks to youtube in particular. All old big tech copros now have a selection of products that cater for small individual entertainers. Many tech companies were started to cater exclusively for individual entertainers. This shift won't stop. Corpos are still holding, bit their model won't be profitable for too long, they'll have to shift focus.

Did you miss the part "there will be companies offering clout as service in the future"?

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MerelyTourist said:

Now- yes, kinda. But life-changing tech is already there and getting better and cheaper.
Some 20 years ago you had to get label deal or huge load of cash to record an album. Not anymore, music recording/mixing is widely available and very affordable. Organizing a tour - not a problem, you can book everything by yourself. Publishing a book - plenty options, plenty freelance editors, not a problem. Merch - same deal. Motion capture - same deal, you only need 2-3 decent cameras and literally nothing else to reliablry track every finger (not realtime though, yet). And did you see what Unreal engine can do now?
Whole world is shifting from "you need corpo to be an entertainer" to "you can be an entertainer on your own", thanks to youtube in particular. All old big tech copros now have a selection of products that cater for small individual entertainers. Many tech companies were started to cater exclusively for individual entertainers. This shift won't stop. Corpos are still holding, bit their model won't be profitable for too long, they'll have to shift focus.

Did you miss the part "there will be companies offering clout as service in the future"?

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MerelyTourist said:

The very concept of "you need a big corpo contract to do X" will die, vtubing is going go down the record labels and book publishers route, where first big, then small corpos will fall out of relevancy in favor of smaller, task service companies.
Even today, Hololive offers NOTHING that that you can't do as an indie. Their main value is clout, and there will be companies offering clout as service in the future. Unless humanity will fuck up massively and first world economy will go back to scarcity.

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RiverBear said:

Didn't Fillian like clout chase Holo, which is why she exploded in the first place

I remember her first few streams using a Gura model in VR or something

imagine using Fillian as an example of how an indie can make it big without Holo and said indie only making it big because they were clout chasing Holo

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