Debate User @Biboosex on Ethics in VTubing, Or Something

[Biboosex]

Valens is literally one of the truest-blood breeds of activist. When you're on a side who hates you for mentioning the wrong name when you are THAT involved and dedicated, a spearhead until you were outed as a creep and liar, you should probably reconsider the side you're on. In this case they're right about it, though.


Quoted Blueskyer "Biboosex," since you admitted you're reading this thread like right about now: that's actually pretty based ngl, even if for different reasons, and I kinda got some mad respect for that. Valens is bad for everyone.

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Also take a chill pill mf. It's been over two years and people have accepted playing a video game is not literally trans genocide. It's boring now. Tell me about how Phase grinds coffee beans with unpaid child labor or something, it probably has more truth.

long time listener first time caller.

got mass reported for harassment and subsequently suspended so I just nuked my bsky account. I know this is a letdown for you guys as much as it is me.

In complete transparency I don't care that much about Pisskin playing Hogwarts, I think the whole bullshit drama around Hogwarts and Hogwarts 2 is performative and overblown. It's the inconsistency I can't stand and then backing it up with "just jokes lul" knowing full well if AV read that same article written by anyone else and it presented Nyanners V Kirsche it'd be a full on "THIS IS A PERSONAL ATTACK AGAINST ME".

There's a lot, in fact most things you guys and I will never see eye to eye on but I will absolutely agree that AV has, from the very start, made this a "LOOK AT HOW THIS AFFECTS ME!" situation. I noticed it later than I should have but apparently earlier than most people as they're still in the sycophant stage. The immediate backdown from the threat of a lawsuit, not even an actual lawsuit, was the writing on the wall for me.

Anyway, probably won't log in here much but will still do the usual lurk, feel free to shoot me direct messages if you want but can't promise they'll be seen to in a timely manner. Despite my online presence suggesting otherwise I can be civil. Although I won't hold any "you should kill yourself" messages against anyone considering the amount I put out into the world as well. I'll probably be back on bsky at some point, I have a fetish for the smoke (21 Savage), so I'll be easy to identify. Hopefully the cult of personality around AV has died off by then and people can have critical discussions about the hypocrisy they've consistently shown, though I'm doubtful.

Have a good one chumps and jugalettes. It's been equal measures fun and aggravating but I'd be lying if I said I won't miss our little back and forths.

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[thhrang]

@Biboosex appears to have an account here now, by the way. Could be a fake or gayop though, Idunno.

 

[Italian Raccoon]

@Biboosex appears to have an account here now, by the way.

Please guide him to the Reticule thread.

 

[Hff201]

It's Biboosex from the cringe thread.

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Man, tardfights really do make for the best content. The chuds win by doing nothing.

 

[NeneLOVE]

Sorry guys it was me, biboosex is my alt, I am actually a shitstirring lolicon...

 

[verxis]

Sorry guys it was me, biboosex is my alt, I am actually a shitstirring lolicon...

Okay, based. Apologies for the disrespect, I was not familiar with your game.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Sorry guys it was me, biboosex is my alt, I am actually a shitstirring lolicon...

 

[Planetary Bombardment]

Hello @Biboosex and welcome to the Asylum. I would like to have an argument, please.

 

[NeneLOVE]

Hello @Biboosex and welcome to the Asylum. I would like to have an argument, please.

Mr. Biboosex is busy right now, he will have slots available later next month, would you like to schedule an appointment?

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Mr. Biboosex is busy right now, he will have slots available later next month, would you like to schedule an appointment?

Slots hehehe

 

[Biboosex]

Whenever my shit gets approved (get off your darn ass Proctor, this is why no one likes the British).
I know there will never be a mutual ground between either side in this discussion, I don't think there can be by the very nature as its more of a case of ideals versus ideals. I don't think many of you care about Kirsche or Asmon being targeted, I sure as shit don't care about Ana being targeted. But even within each side I think my very lazy and half hearted "why you sucking Pippa dick" does establish that there's no chance for discussion because any attempt at presenting a dissenting opinion is a call for attack. I mean to be fair I was asking a loaded question but while Ana tried to take some moral high road (by way of being flippant and ignoring the hypocrisy of using Pippa as an example, bringing attention to Phase and Pippa in a positive tone, even if not praise, is establishing a "I have and probably do still absorb their content to some degree", so again, replace Pippa with Kirsche and the hypocrisy is obvious), the immediate attack, to the point of my anti-Kirsche posts being reported by fans of Ana, just to ensure I am silenced and punished for daring to question the almighty God Ana is such a degree of hypocrisy and irony that is concerning. Much like my post stating that the right is better at putting aside differences, I also hate to admit, the right is better at avoiding this type of cannibal infighting, because I think you're more aware that Kirsche and Asmon are symbols of an ideal, rather than putting them up as the actual figures of a movement themselves, so you can (to a degree) criticize them more openly then I can Ana.

Which is also why I probably won't be on BSky for a while, I will eventually return, I can't NOT be an asshole online, even at the risk of my own reputation, but I need Ana to actually do what they said they were going to do and get the fuck out of the conversation, instead of just saying they are while never shutting the fuck up.

Just giving some insights into a lefty cucks thoughts into the current state of things. I've still got a hard on for the overall cause/ideal, but the arm chair activism, hypocrisy and figure heads has left a horrible taste in my mouth. I saw someone in here say Ana is a true blooded activist, I'd actually disagree, solely because all of their "activism" came from "you have personally attacked me, so now I am going to use my platform to attack you". Vallure said no to them being in there, article goes up disguised as a trans rights article but it was entirely focused on how Ana was wronged, Kirsche talks Ana, Ana see's Kirsche as safe to write articles on due to her being more open about her extreme opinions, but again, all posts regarding Kirsche are "this is how Kirsche and her fans have personally affected me". Then Ana bails, I guess fuck everyone who also put themselves out there and at risk for Ana. Even if that's not quite armchair activism, it's at least incredibly selfish and accomplishes nothing but putting money in Ana's pocket.

TLR apologies for the schizo post but had it brewing and I figure it'd be worth you boyos knowing that at least some people do see that Ana is a grifter.

XOXO

 

[PUNISHED BUILDERBEAR]

@Biboosex appears to have an account here now, by the way. Could be a fake or gayop though, Idunno.

thats jambo alt btw

 

[geesecode]

long time listener first time caller.

got mass reported for harassment and subsequently suspended so I just nuked my bsky account. I know this is a letdown for you guys as much as it is me.

In complete transparency I don't care that much about Pisskin playing Hogwarts, I think the whole bullshit drama around Hogwarts and Hogwarts 2 is performative and overblown. It's the inconsistency I can't stand and then backing it up with "just jokes lul" knowing full well if AV read that same article written by anyone else and it presented Nyanners V Kirsche it'd be a full on "THIS IS A PERSONAL ATTACK AGAINST ME".

There's a lot, in fact most things you guys and I will never see eye to eye on but I will absolutely agree that AV has, from the very start, made this a "LOOK AT HOW THIS AFFECTS ME!" situation. I noticed it later than I should have but apparently earlier than most people as they're still in the sycophant stage. The immediate backdown from the threat of a lawsuit, not even an actual lawsuit, was the writing on the wall for me.

Anyway, probably won't log in here much but will still do the usual lurk, feel free to shoot me direct messages if you want but can't promise they'll be seen to in a timely manner. Despite my online presence suggesting otherwise I can be civil. Although I won't hold any "you should kill yourself" messages against anyone considering the amount I put out into the world as well. I'll probably be back on bsky at some point, I have a fetish for the smoke (21 Savage), so I'll be easy to identify. Hopefully the cult of personality around AV has died off by then and people can have critical discussions about the hypocrisy they've consistently shown, though I'm doubtful.

Have a good one chumps and jugalettes. It's been equal measures fun and aggravating but I'd be lying if I said I won't miss our little back and forths.

Gonna bring this post forward since Biboosex has arrived in these lands to address us, I got a notif that I was quoted but ig it was awaiting approval.

Spoiler: my actual post

Mods took a while to approve this one. Mods HATE.

I find the action of doxxing/actual harassment towards Kirsche (or anyone) pretty gross myself but I don’t know you as a person outside of that so I’m gonna pass over that and give credit where it’s due:

This is pretty reasonable, the whole conversation became a retard slap fight as soon as people rallied behind a sexpest attention whore with a shady past.

Same here, it’s not like I agree with you on the core matter. But Valens wrote the VAllure article and they did nothing political in the first place, then they just wrote the Pekora article and missed the entire year+ of Kojima’s oshi arc. Blatant grifter/tourist/whatever, even with Hololive being as popular and easy to understand as it is.

Even if Valens or Bint, or doxxers etc. caused Kirsche some stress, it was (with the benefit of retrospection) obviously going to come crashing back and kill all the momentum, hell, Waypoint was just getting involved... and then it died. Now they’re dealing with Asmongold of all people while Kirsche is, like it or not, standing to come out of this better off. As for me, I don’t think that practically anyone could “take down” Kirsche, but it’s obvious who couldn’t, who ironically lifted her up.

Also not really shocked you got mass reported around the same time Valens caught your Blueskeet or whatever you call them.

 

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Anyway, probably won't log in here much but will still do the usual lurk, feel free to shoot me direct messages if you want but can't promise they'll be seen to in a timely manner. Despite my online presence suggesting otherwise I can be civil. Although I won't hold any "you should kill yourself" messages against anyone considering the amount I put out into the world as well. I'll probably be back on bsky at some point, I have a fetish for the smoke (21 Savage), so I'll be easy to identify. Hopefully the cult of personality around AV has died off by then and people can have critical discussions about the hypocrisy they've consistently shown, though I'm doubtful.

Have a good one chumps and jugalettes. It's been equal measures fun and aggravating but I'd be lying if I said I won't miss our little back and forths.

Pussy thoI'll give you credit for standing up what you believe for even in this hellhole that's called v-tubing.

 

[Italian Raccoon]

long time listener first time caller.

got mass reported for harassment and subsequently suspended so I just nuked my bsky account. I know this is a letdown for you guys as much as it is me.

In complete transparency I don't care that much about Pisskin playing Hogwarts, I think the whole bullshit drama around Hogwarts and Hogwarts 2 is performative and overblown. It's the inconsistency I can't stand and then backing it up with "just jokes lul" knowing full well if AV read that same article written by anyone else and it presented Nyanners V Kirsche it'd be a full on "THIS IS A PERSONAL ATTACK AGAINST ME".

There's a lot, in fact most things you guys and I will never see eye to eye on but I will absolutely agree that AV has, from the very start, made this a "LOOK AT HOW THIS AFFECTS ME!" situation. I noticed it later than I should have but apparently earlier than most people as they're still in the sycophant stage. The immediate backdown from the threat of a lawsuit, not even an actual lawsuit, was the writing on the wall for me.

Anyway, probably won't log in here much but will still do the usual lurk, feel free to shoot me direct messages if you want but can't promise they'll be seen to in a timely manner. Despite my online presence suggesting otherwise I can be civil. Although I won't hold any "you should kill yourself" messages against anyone considering the amount I put out into the world as well. I'll probably be back on bsky at some point, I have a fetish for the smoke (21 Savage), so I'll be easy to identify. Hopefully the cult of personality around AV has died off by then and people can have critical discussions about the hypocrisy they've consistently shown, though I'm doubtful.

Have a good one chumps and jugalettes. It's been equal measures fun and aggravating but I'd be lying if I said I won't miss our little back and forths.

I'll be nice since you're at least daring enough to make an account here, but lurking TVA and responding on bluesky is a massive fag move and we both know it.
Also, being against loli while naming yourself "Biboosex" is certainly a choice... maybe rethink that if you're going to be consistent on your values.
Man why am I even writing this, I know it's just @NeneLOVE fucking with us. Anyways, I hope whatever's causing your retardation passes, maybe you wouldn't be so bad after all.

 

[thhrang]

Do not get it twisted, this Biboosex guy would absolutely still 100% rally behind someone who isn't Valens doing the same types of attacks on Kirsche and her associates. Reminder he is a caliber of individual who explicitly wants Phase-Connect to die because he thinks Pippa is a Nazi.

I don't know what he's hoped to achieve with coming here and completely changing up his discourse tactic. He's still a completely schizophrenic idiot and him suddenly being cordial doesn't change that. The "enlightened liberal attempting to bridge the gap by throwing the controversial talkinghead under the bus" shtick isn't gonna magically work here.

 

[Italian Raccoon]

Do not get it twisted, this Biboosex guy would absolutely still 100% rally behind someone who isn't Ana doing the same types of attacks on Kirsche and her associates. Reminder he is a caliber of individual who explicitly wants Phase-Connect to die because he thinks Pippa is a Nazi.

I don't know what he's hoped to achieve with coming here and completely changing up his discourse tactic. He's still a completely schizophrenic idiot and him suddenly being cordial doesn't change that. The "enlightened liberal attempting to bridge the gap by throwing the controversial talkinghead under the bus" shtick isn't gonna work here.

God damn janny, you're supposed to show them kindness until you goad them into showing weakness and obliterating them... thanks for ruining my plan.

 

[shipmate]

Do not get it twisted, this Biboosex guy would absolutely still 100% rally behind someone who isn't Ana doing the same types of attacks on Kirsche and her associates. Reminder he is a caliber of individual who explicitly wants Phase-Connect to die because he thinks Pippa is a Nazi.

I don't know what he's hoped to achieve with coming here and completely changing up his discourse tactic. He's still a completely schizophrenic idiot and him suddenly being cordial doesn't change that. The "enlightened liberal attempting to bridge the gap by throwing the controversial talkinghead under the bus" shtick isn't gonna magically work here.

I think it's because it's so rare to find someone with a functional brain that decided on their own free will to believe in narratives. I guess smarts don't reflect awareness (and vice-versa).

@Biboosex post your Blue Archive ID, many users here would love to have your units for coop stuff.

 

[geesecode]

Do not get it twisted, this Biboosex guy would absolutely still 100% rally behind someone who isn't Ana doing the same types of attacks on Kirsche and her associates. Reminder he is a caliber of individual who explicitly wants Phase-Connect to die because he thinks Pippa is a Nazi.

I don't know what he's hoped to achieve with coming here and completely changing up his discourse tactic. He's still a completely schizophrenic idiot and him suddenly being cordial doesn't change that. The "enlightened liberal attempting to bridge the gap by throwing the controversial talkinghead under the bus" shtick isn't gonna work here.

Yeah no, still has said awful things like justifying the address doxx which I had written more about but deleted since I didn't think it was worthwhile. It would have been very easy to come here and say "fuck you here's doxx info kys" and leave, or to never come at all.

I didn't want to try or help to drive him off considering there was no drive-by or schizophrenia in the post, these people will never see how crazy some of the things they say are if they live in an echo chamber and never face criticism. Coming here and checking out this thread, or even if he went to the threads relating to Phase Connect/Pippa would be a pretty easy way to see the talents are not Nazis, that Pippa is just a passionate, parasocial hyper-autist, who typically shuts down actual racism in her superchats. But if you're never exposed to Pippa, you'd never understand that.

Were he to be a famous retard (like Bint) who came here or did something suspicious so far, that would be different.

 

[Italian Raccoon]

He said doxx and not phonebook!